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I'm using Fangraph's WAR. He's averaged 2.8 WAR a year, and has never topped 3 (until this year). If he keeps this up and is a star, we get lucky, but that's a huge if. And again, my beef has always been about the timing of it. I just don't get it. If the decision was to extend him, it should have been done in the off-season, before his hot start.

I understand your point but I they started the negotiations in the off-season. Jones is the one who had the leverage not the Orioles, he could have played this year out and there is no way at that point he wouldn't of went to free agency.

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I don't hate the decision, I hate how it was done. How could you care less about the timing? That's the difference in probably $10-15M in the deal.

First 10-15 million over the life of that deal is pretty minor. Secondly, I believe the hot start had more to do w Jones' willingness to sign that it did w the Orioles' willingness to sign him.

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I understand your point but I they started the negotiations in the off-season. Jones is the one who had the leverage not the Orioles, he could have played this year out and there is no way at that point he wouldn't of went to free agency.

IIRC, Jones stated that if he had gotten to Opening Day in 2013 without an extension, then he would have tested FA. I think we could have waited until the AS break to make a decision like this - wait it out and see where he was after his hot start had passed.

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First 10-15 million over the life of that deal is pretty minor. Secondly, I believe the hot start had more to do w Jones' willingness to sign that it did w the Orioles' willingness to sign him.

You are wrong. That's substantial for a team like us. And regardless, it's just dumb. That's an awful approach to have (oh, don't evaluate timing for the best timing for negotiations, etc., $10-15M is chump change, who cares).

Secondly, wrong again. Jones has been willing to sign. The hot start had nothing to do with his willingness to sign, it had everything to do with ours.

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IIRC, Jones stated that if he had gotten to Opening Day in 2013 without an extension, then he would have tested FA. I think we could have waited until the AS break to make a decision like this - wait it out and see where he was after his hot start had passed.

I find it hard to believe with only one year left on his deal that he wouldn't of tested free agency. Every off-season some FA signs a big money deal that drives contracts up for everybody. I don't think he would have been signed any cheaper even if he did.

If the Orioles started negotiations in the off-season then they wanted to keep him here. The hot start made it more important to get it done but it isn't as if they waited until he got hot this year to start talking to his agent. They wanted to keep him all along.

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You are wrong. That's substantial for a team like us. And regardless, it's just dumb. That's an awful approach to have (oh, don't evaluate timing for the best timing for negotiations, etc., $10-15M is chump change, who cares).

Secondly, wrong again. Jones has been willing to sign. The hot start had nothing to do with his willingness to sign, it had everything to do with ours.

Oh, I didn't know you were such good friends w Jones that you were privy to his innermost thoughts and intentions.

10 million dollars over a 6 year deal, one in which I feel quite confident the O's are going to get excess value on, is minimal.

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That's not really the point. The point is that if they discovered this during the physical, why not nip it in the bud then?

BTW, I was never a fan of the timing of these negotiations. Jonesy's injury history is one of the many reasons that he can't be counted on to be a consistent 4-5 WAR player.

That's complete garbage. Locking up Jones was good for the franchise. Locking him up now was the right move. He's worth every penny of what we are paying him. And, his injury history is just fine.

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That's complete garbage. Locking up Jones was good for the franchise. Locking him up now was the right move. He's worth every penny of what we are paying him. And, his injury history is just fine.

I've made my case, where's yours? Disagreeing is fine, calling an actual analysis of the situation garbage, when all you ever do is spout non-sense backed by nothing but your orange colored classes is absurd.

The next time you make a well thought out post, using actual data and evidence to support your opinion, will be your first. You should try it, it's fun.

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I've made my case, where's yours? Disagreeing is fine, calling an actual analysis of the situation garbage, when all you ever do is spout non-sense backed by nothing but your orange colored classes is absurd.

The next time you make a well thought out post, using actual data and evidence to support your opinion, will be your first. You should try it, it's fun.

I must have missed your well though out thesis which proved your point beyond a doubt. We are both stating opinions. This board is for stating opinions. I'm not arrogant enough to think that all of my opinions are 100% correct but I'm sure not going to accept whatever BS you are spewing as proof of anything. I'm also not into talking down to people, I'll just leave it there.

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I must have missed your well though out thesis which proved your point beyond a doubt. We are both stating opinions. This board is for stating opinions. I'm not arrogant enough to think that all of my opinions are 100% correct but I'm sure not going to accept whatever BS you are spewing as proof of anything. I'm also not into talking down to people, I'll just leave it there.

Saying my post was "complete garbage" is indeed talking down to people. Nice try though.

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Saying my post was "complete garbage" is indeed talking down to people. Nice try though.

I stand by my statement. The Jones signing was great for the organization and your carping on it is complete garbage. I fail to see why completely and strongly disagreeing with you on one subject out of many, frees you up to call all my opinions ill informed. We can agree to disagree about Jones. I'm fine with that, but strongly reacting to one of your opinions is not getting personal. What you said is over the line imho.

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I stand by my statement. The Jones signing was great for the organization and your carping on it is complete garbage. I fail to see why completely and strongly disagreeing with you on one subject out of many, frees you up to call all my opinions ill informed. We can agree to disagree about Jones. I'm fine with that, but strongly reacting to one of your opinions is not getting personal. What you said is over the line imho.

Haha - lay off the sauce pal. This is delusional.

But I'm bored, so I'm done with this. Cheers.

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Haha - lay off the sauce pal. This is delusional.

But I'm bored, so I'm done with this. Cheers.

oooooooooooooooooo, the famous "my intelligence is so far above yours, I'm bored of debating with you" response. Snore.

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