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Just a thought exercise. What would it take to trade for Harper?

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Not that the Os would EVER do it, but to humor the exercise here, we would have to part with...

Adam Jones: Sure thing borderline perennial all-star.

Dylan Bundy: Big time pitching prospect that could be their #2 behind Strasburg... and a very good #2 at that.

Manny Machado: Big time infield prospect... though I think at this point he might be a bit over-valued. But his upside is better than what they have.

This makes it pretty safe for the Nats because even if Bundy and Machado bust, they still get a very good player with a lot of time left in him in Adam Jones. But the likelihood that BOTH bust isn't high.

As mentioned though, this really wouldn't benefit anyone.

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Sure they would. But I'm sure their demands would be so high that no team would match them.

EDIT -- Aaaaaand Pickles beat me to it. Great minds :)

Well, sure. But for all practical intents & purposes, the wouldn't consider dealing him. That's why they use the term "untouchable." Of course if the Orioles wanted to trade their entire starting 9 for him, they'd consider it... but it's a moot discussion.

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Well, sure. But for all practical intents & purposes, the wouldn't consider dealing him. That's why they use the term "untouchable." Of course if the Orioles wanted to trade their entire starting 9 for him, they'd consider it... but it's a moot discussion.

Well yeah - I mean ultimately I agree with you, but Gurgi said he knew it wasn't really going to happen, it was just a "thought excercise".

I normally steer clear of the hypothetical trade threads, because I think they're a waste of time, but I did think this was an interesting one. No matter how high on a guy you are there is always a value of players that exceeds any individual.

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I think some of these trade ideas are way over the top. Jones, Bundy AND Machado, and even another prospect? For one guy?

Come one... he's only one player. No way on earth will Harper's WAR be higher alone than the cumulative WAR of Jones, Bundy, and Machado. Unless one of the two prospects are a historical flop.

If I got a call as the Nats GM with some of these proposals, I'd have to mute the phone so nobody else could hear me celebrating.

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I think you would be laughed at. Harper is simply not a guy any team would trade. He is a guy that if he stays healthy will be all over the record books in 20 years.

Maybe if you add AJ and another ML pitcher. In other words you can't get it done.

You overvalue Harper.

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You overvalue Harper.

I think the orders of magnitude one player provides over another is overvalued.

For instance, a player that puts up 80% of Prince Fielder's stats won't get 80% of his salary. It doesn't work that way, and maybe it shouldn't. But the exponential increase from 80% of Fielder to Fielder himself is way out of wack in MLB now.

If MLB had a salary cap, these astronomical contracts would go away. Even if it was a high cap.

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I think the orders of magnitude one player provides over another is overvalued.

For instance, a player that puts up 80% of Prince Fielder's stats won't get 80% of his salary. It doesn't work that way, and maybe it shouldn't. But the exponential increase from 80% of Fielder to Fielder himself is way out of wack in MLB now.

If MLB had a salary cap, these astronomical contracts would go away. Even if it was a high cap.

I think that's mainly because of the artificial ceiling and protection that teams get with younger players. Specifically players who have less than 6 years of ML experience. Keep in mind, these aren't calender years, it's based off a calculation of number of days on the roster divided against the length of the season in number of days. So they don't get credit for time injured or in the minors between ML activitation. So, really, it's at least 8-9 years for most players.

Most of the team is under this protection, so they'll be making $400,000 a year, while a few get arbitration that bumps that up a few million. But for the few players that hit the FA market, teams go nuts. If a player is average or below average, they'll barely get anything in FA. But if they're even the slightest bit above average, teams will just at the chance to get a proven player. The top players, they covet.

I don't think that a salary cap would change it much. They only thing that will is increasing minimum salaries, and taking away team's rights for their drafted and developed players. Not that I'm suggesting that latter. I just think that teams need to police themselves, and not give players 10 year $200 million contracts that give the players license to slack off the next decade until their contract year.

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