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Can anyone shed some light on why he didn't work at second? Was it the defensive transition, or he was struggling to hit and learn a 'new' position at the same time?

The reason I ask, is with the dearth of third base options available both internally and externally (getting Headley seems like a pipe dream), maybe putting him at third would be a better use of his talents.

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Love the hot streak but I have never really seen Hoes sustain it over a full season. He was in the mid 700's at Bowie when repeating AA earlier this year. He will always need to hit for a high average to overcome the lack of power.

While I see your point, I am encouraged by the number of times he has put up a good OBP:

- .416 in GCL in 2008

- .375 at Frederick in 2010

- .379 at Bowie in 2011

- .368 at Bowie in 2012

- .371 at Norfolk in 2012

I will grant you, he had a bad OBP at Delmarva in 2009, and for whatever reason, a bad OBP in six weeks repeating at Frederick in 2011 before doing better at Bowie.

Hoes isn't going to have a ton of power, but if he could be a .280/.350/.380 type player in the majors, that would have some value because of the good OBP component. And there's still a chance that he adds a litte more pop as he matures.

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While I see your point, I am encouraged by the number of times he has put up a good OBP:

- .416 in GCL in 2008

- .375 at Frederick in 2010

- .379 at Bowie in 2011

- .368 at Bowie in 2012

- .371 at Norfolk in 2012

I will grant you, he had a bad OBP at Delmarva in 2009, and for whatever reason, a bad OBP in six weeks repeating at Frederick in 2011 before doing better at Bowie.

Hoes isn't going to have a ton of power, but if he could be a .280/.350/.380 type player in the majors, that would have some value because of the good OBP component. And there's still a chance that he adds a litte more pop as he matures.

I agree with this...the game is changing, less runs...less power, guys like Hoes who have an ability to get on base. While he doesn't have burner speed, he has stolen 16 bases this year. I think he could be a candidate to lead off.

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Here is what we've gotten from LF, other than Reimold: .196/.250/.286. The bar is not set very high. If Hoes could put up a .330 OBP, I wouldn't care if every hit was a single, I would take it. However, I'd like to see him perform in AAA for another 4 weeks or so before considering a call-up. And let's not forget that Avery has a .372 OBP in Norfolk right now, including .389 in June and .438 in his last 10 games. He also brings the speed tool that Hoes doesn't have (at least, not much).
When Markakis comes back maybe Pearce can play there.
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Interesting to see Hoes specifically name Hall, Lew Freakin' Ford and McLouth as guys that are helping him adjust. An interesting angle to what DD is doing by keeping these veteran guys afloat with MiLB prospects and how it might be positively impacting more than just our depth.

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The Orioles never gave a straight answer. They suggested it was more to get his bat going and that the move to the OF wasn't permanent. Statistically, he showed a lot of improvement at 2B but one would assume that he was found lacking there.

I'd feel so much better if they would put him back in the infield.

BTW, I'm not crazy with my third base idea. He's played there 10 times in the minors. Not much at all, but its something.

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I'd feel so much better if they would put him back in the infield.

BTW, I'm not crazy with my third base idea. He's played there 10 times in the minors. Not much at all, but its something.

I'm with you. If he can play 2B, the O's are crazy not to play him there. His kind of offense at 2B, assuming his defense is even passable, is a valuable thing to have.

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I'm with you. If he can play 2B, the O's are crazy not to play him there. His kind of offense at 2B, assuming his defense is even passable, is a valuable thing to have.

I suspect his days as an infielder are over. But, perhaps the plan is, let him get developed as a hitter, and once he is close to mature there, try him again in the infield.

For what it's worth, a little comparison of four 2B currently or formerly in our system:

Hoes (264 games): .950 Fldg%, 0.52 double plays/game, 4.42 range factor

Schoop (130 games): .972 Fldg%, 0.64 double plays/game, 4.54 range factor

Adams (439 games); .942 Fldg%, 0.53 double plays/game, 4.61 range factor

Miclat (124 games): .966 Fldg%, 0.57 double plays/game, 4.61 range factor

This is not entirely a fair comparison, because players tend to improve defensively as they gain experience and move up the organization. Adams had brutal numbers in his early career, not so awful once he reached Bowie and Norfolk. Still, those numbers pretty clearly show Hoes as being well below average defensively at 2B.

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Would love to see his numbers at Frederick as I think they were greatly improved over what he had done at Delmarva.

2009 (79 games): .971 Fldg%, .67 DP/game, 5.01 range factor

2010 (25 games): .971 Fldg%, .32 DP/game, 4.00 range factor

The 2009 numbers were up across the board. In 2010 his range stats fell off and he didn't turn many DP's. We are dealing with small sample sizes here, and there are a lot of factors that can influence range factor and DP frequency that are out of the control of the player.

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