Pirates and Orioles "among the teams pushing hardest for Headley"

[jrobb21613]

Maybe, the villian, Headley from "Blazzing Saddles".

Lol. I'll assume u believe he'll cost more. I just don't think he's worth much more than I proposed he's no David Wright.

[LookinUp]

I know this is WAY out there, but ... Is there any chance that Schoop is Robinson Cano for the Orioles?

It's NOT way out there.

Most of us who aren't down on the Teagarden/Eveland/Thome deals are ok with them because we don't see a viable shot at any of those guys we traded becoming more than low-value ML contributors. Schoop is very different. He might not pan out at all. I think that's a low probability. He might end up like a Headley. I think that's a strong probability. He might end up a power hitting 2B/SS/3B who ends us a perennial all star. I think that's a fair probability. We could be trading away a 20+ WAR player for a very solid 3B. I'm for churning with our system, but Schoop can only be dealt in a very important deal, IMO.

I think I said this in another thread, but I think he's a legit top 50 prospect by the end of this year.

[Flacco Machado]

I think I said this in another thread, but I think he's a legit top 50 prospect by the end of this year.

Without a doubt. May even crack the Top 25.

[LookinUp]

Without a doubt. May even crack the Top 25.

I expect he'll cool off a little bit. Even when hot, his best OPS by month was July and it was "only" .832. I think he'll continue in that range though, and that makes him a very nice prospect considering age/league.

[jrobb21613]

Be lucky to get a Handly with that package.

Do you really think Headley is worth much more than that? I don't. I do think in the end we would have to take Esposito's name out and replace him with Delmonico to get it done.

Hoes, Baker, Delmonico for Headley.

[EagleOriole]

Do you really think Headley is worth much more than that? I don't. I do think in the end we would have to take Esposito's name out and replace him with Delmonico to get it done.

Hoes, Baker, Delmonico for Headley.

David Baker? That package will not get it done at all.

[Camden_yardbird]

Remember we have a pick to trade as well.

Delmonico, Arrieta and the pick with maybe a C+ pitching prospect...

[MDK02]

If we get him, I'd put him in the 2 spot for batting and JJ back to 6th or 7th.

[waroriole]

But scouts have been saying the power would come, and it is. I think the power he is showing will be more the trend, then a hot streak.

Schoop may end up with 20 HR's as a 21 yr. old in Double-A. Something to think about.

20 year old.

[jrobb21613]

David Baker? That package will not get it done at all.

No! Aaron baker who just got promoted to bowie from Frederick who Absolutley destroyed Carolina league pitching in the first half with 22 bombs.

[waroriole]

Be lucky to get a Handly with that package.

Very clever.

[EagleOriole]

No! Aaron baker who just got promoted to bowie from Frederick who Absolutley destroyed Carolina league pitching in the first half with 22 bombs.

Aaron Baker is a non-prospect. He is 24 years old. He is not adding value to that trade package.

Any deal for Headley will start with Schoop since Machado/Bundy are off the table. San Diego will also ask for a pitcher (most likely Matusz/Britton).

Will you pay Matusz/Schoop for Headley?

I will not. I want Schoop staying put. I am fine trading one of Matusz or Arrietta, but at this point want to hang on to Britton and Tillman.

[CA-ORIOLE]

Very clever.

I try.

[MrOrange82]

No one is consistent through every ball park. I'm pretty sure you can do that do just about every better and you will get similar stats from one ballpark to another. Away splits are pretty good at determining how a guy would most likely perform away from his ball park, but like any stats, they are not full proof. His lack of experience in hitting AL pitchers has to be taken into consideration as well. We've had some "bad luck" with players coming over the National League and into the AL East over the years. Doesn't mean Headley can't do well here, but it should be considered.

Well, yes, exactly. The point I was trying to make is that home/away splits aren't definitive. And even if most people haven't considered them as such, I think many have used them to eliminate more "risk/uncertainty" from the equation than is justified.

I'm definitely not of the opinion that Headley definitely wouldn't do well in Baltimore, but I think the question of "well, how would he do" is much more nuanced and less clear than "oh, he's been great on the road, so getting him out of Petco would equate to XYZ production."

While it's true that Headley's tallied 1,172 AB's "on the road," he's picked up fewer than 67 AB's in every single non-NL West park he's played in, which (I think) even SrMeowMeow would agree would be an insanely small sample size from which to draw definitive (or close to definitive) conclusions about his production in any given (new) place. Add to that his total lack of experience with half of the ballparks in the AL (not to mention a great many pitchers in the league), and yeah...while I think it'd be safe to call Headley an upgrade, I'm not prepared to view him as a relatively sure bet to OPS above .800 after getting out of SD.

[Fan4Life]

No one is consistent through every ball park. I'm pretty sure you can do that do just about every better and you will get similar stats from one ballpark to another. Away splits are pretty good at determining how a guy would most likely perform away from his ball park, but like any stats, they are not full proof. His lack of experience in hitting AL pitchers has to be taken into consideration as well. We've had some "bad luck" with players coming over the National League and into the AL East over the years. Doesn't mean Headley can't do well here, but it should be considered.

The ballpark is almost an irrelevant variable when comparing a hitters stats between Pittsburgh and Atlanta.