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scottbbfm Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

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SO WRONG they wanna move him cause they can get a a lot for him. Plus they have a rookie ready to take his spot in James Darnell.

????

Of course they want to move him because they can get a lot for him. But the Pads are going to dictate the market - not the teams interested.

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????

Of course they want to move him because they can get a lot for him. But the Pads are going to dictate the market - not the teams interested.

With 6 to 8 teams going after him,a deal will happen.

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You think Headley can be had for Schoops and some lesser prospects? I would think he would require one of Matusz/Arrieta/Britton plus Schoop, and one of Avery/Hoes. Everything I've read indicates the Pads are asking for a ton.

If so, I don't want him that badly.

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If so, I don't want him that badly.

It's going to take Schoop/Matusz/Avery, or something very comparable to that IMO. And he'd be worth it. I'd be reluctant to give up Schoop and Matusz, sure, but at a certain point we have to stop over valuing every prospect or once prospect and take a guy like Headley who will help us now and in the future.

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It's going to take Schoop/Matusz/Avery, or something very comparable to that IMO.

I certainly hope not. We gave up Finley, Harnisch, and Schilling for Glenn Davis, and Davis was a legit 30-HR threat with a great OBP before he came to Baltimore. The deal you and other people are suggesting are starting to take on those overtones, and Headley is not the player everyone thought Davis was going to be.

He's not the only other third baseman in the world. If a GM convinces himself he needs THIS player, he's going to get taken to the cleaners. That's probably what happened in the Bedard deal. I hope DD is examining all the options available.

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I certainly hope not. We gave up Finley, Harnisch, and Schilling for Glenn Davis, and Davis was a legit 30-HR threat with a great OBP before he came to Baltimore. The deal you and other people are suggesting are starting to take on those overtones, and Headley is not the player everyone thought Davis was going to be.

He's not the only other third baseman in the world. If a GM convinces himself he needs THIS player, he's going to get taken to the cleaners. That's probably what happened in the Bedard deal. I hope DD is examining all the options available.

Actually, he's just about the only 3B in the world - that position is ridiculously weak right now, and it would fill a glaring hole for us for a few years at least. He's had a 4.9 fWAR season, and should come close to that again this season. Schoop is a prospect and the prospect of Matusz rebounding is intriguing, but still a toss-up. Matusz would be successful in Petco, IMO. Even if Matusz rebounds, he's still going to be a fly ball pitcher, and therefore will have his struggles here in Baltimore. Again, I'd like not to give up that much, but at a certain point you have to pull the trigger on a deal like this.

Remember Buck's presser when he was hired and he made the Brave heart reference? Hold, hold, hold... Now! The time is now. We need to make this happen.

Here's a stack ranking of 3Bmen by fWAR this season - http://www.fangraphs.com/graphswd.aspx?teamid=0&pos=3B&season=2012&season1=2012&grid=25

I think many here underrate him.

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I have seen Gyorko play tons when I was at WVU. I like his game a lot !!

Yeah, dude can rake and has been on fire lately, making SD more comfortable with dealing Headley. Downside is their front office knows the O's are in desperate need of a 3B and they are dealing from a position of strength. And depth.

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Also, if the Pirates wind up getting Headley, I would be a proponent of immediately asking the Bucs about Alvarez, as has been suggested here before. And they would likely demand far less than SD wants for Headley.

The Pirates have a ton of pitching that they could move and the Orioles have a ton of flawed pitching that it could move. I would be fine with including Matusz/Tillman in the deal in addition to Hoes and maybe a lesser prospect, but I think that we are going to be up in arms over what another team is going to pay for Headley if he is traded.

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Also, if the Pirates wind up getting Headley, I would be a proponent of immediately asking the Bucs about Alvarez, as has been suggested here before. And they would likely demand far less than SD wants for Headley.

Alvarez is fairly worthless imo. He's terrible defensively, and in a 1000 career PA he has an OBP% of .300. He has power, and he's relatively young, but he isn't much of an upgrade over Betemit really.

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Alvarez is fairly worthless imo. He's terrible defensively, and in a 1000 career PA he has an OBP% of .300. He has power, and he's relatively young, but he isn't much of an upgrade over Betemit really.

I agree with you but if you can get Alvarez straight up for a guy like Arritea it would be a great move for us. I would even be inclined to throw in a prospect. Alvarez still has a chance to turn it around being as young as he is and if he develops he could be a Longoria type bat that this team has been lacking for years. We have plenty of questionable pitching prospects in Matusz, Britton, Tillman, and Arritea this would be a very very nice buy low talent just like Strop. To me its worth the risk even if you have to send a decent prospect like Avery along with Arritea.

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I agree with you but if you can get Alvarez straight up for a guy like Arritea it would be a great move for us. I would even be inclined to throw in a prospect. Alvarez still has a chance to turn it around being as young as he is and if he develops he could be a Longoria type bat that this team has been lacking for years. We have plenty of questionable pitching prospects in Matusz, Britton, Tillman, and Arritea this would be a very very nice buy low talent just like Strop. To me its worth the risk even if you have to send a decent prospect like Avery along with Arritea.

First, Alvarez is no Longoria. Never will be, and frankly, doesn't deserve to be in the same sentence as him. He probably tops out as Chris Davis if he's lucky. That has value, especially since it masquerades itself as a 3rd baseman, but I wouldn't want his glove at 3rd.

2) Arrieta is similar to Alvarez in that there both "failed" prospects, change of scenery guys at this point. I wouldn't do that trade but I can see the defense of it. However, to throw in Avery is pure absurdity imo. I don't think I'd do Avery for Alvarez straight up at this point.

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