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Orioles don't like the cutter (part deuce) - Peterson speaks

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CA-ORIOLE Hangout Grand Counsel

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Pitch F/X has him throwing 21 cutters his entire career but Fangraphs has 4% and 13% the last two years. Hooray inconsistent pitch classification!

Yeah, I really wish someone would get that stuff together a ilttle bit better. I know it's never gonna be close to perfcet. I don't even see splitter on brooks baseball but his changeup percentage has jumped from 9% to 17% this year. I'd guarantee you those "changeups" are split fingered fastballs.

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Yeah, I really wish someone would get that stuff together a ilttle bit better. I know it's never gonna be close to perfcet. I don't even see splitter on brooks baseball but his changeup percentage has jumped from 9% to 17% this year. I'd guarantee you those "changeups" are split fingered fastballs.

Serious question. Isn't a splitter really just a change up with a fork ball grip?

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I haven't seen Bundy's cutter, but part of the argument is that cutters generally don't have good movement.

Me either, but it seems to me (though obviously an assumption) that it had good movement if it's regarded as his best pitch. I guess they could mean in general constancy and spotting it, though.

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His cutter is 86-88? That's slider-speed. Why even call it a cutter?

Yep, but slider and cutter are different pitches with different action and different purposes. Though I agree a pitcher with a weak slider could get confused with a cutter.

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His cutter is 86-88? That's slider-speed. Why even call it a cutter?
Yep, but slider and cutter are different pitches with different action and different purposes. Though I agree a pitcher with a weak slider could get confused with a cutter.
Cutter - Bundy's cutter is an out pitch, with borderline slider depth and late life. He snaps the pitch in the 86-88 mph range, allowing it to serve as a change-of-pace offering. It has developed into his most effective pitch, and could be plus or better at the next level.

http://diamondscapescouting.com/scoutingreports_2011_bundydy.html

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I love Rick Peterson. I love DD. I love that we have a pitching philosophy. I mean seriously, McPhail seemed so behind on this. Not since Leo Mazzone, and maybe not even then, have we had a clear, organization wide pitching philosophy. Interesting that he said Oakland shares the same pitching philosophy as we do.

I expect DD to hire someone to correct the hitting in the offseason. I expect an organization-wide commitment to OBP and upping the pitch count to begin next season.

Agreed. The fact that we have an organizational philosophy is a great start. It also makes sense to me. If you have a great fastball, why do you need a cutter? If it's great in the first inning, and you can locate, it'll be great in the later innings with a change and curve thrown in.

Meanwhile, I imagine a cut fastball can be deadly in terms of HRs, balls, etc., if used too much.

The basic philosophy seems to be: simplify your approach, pitch to your strengths and with confidence, and be consistent. That makes a lot of sense to me.

As for taking away this guy's best pitch, that might be the single best thing that ever happens for his development, long term. Who really knows?

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