Eric Gagne alleges 80% of Dodgers were using PEDs

[Migrant Redbird]

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I haven't read Gagne's book nor any excerpts from it, so I'll limit my comments.

I think Gagne's allegations, plus those of Tom House about players in the late sixties and early seventies, do confirm that PEDs usage has been a lot higher for a lot longer than most fans realize.

And then there's the flip side, the fans who are convinced without any evidence that all baseball players used PEDs.

[Can_of_corn]

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I haven't read Gagne's book nor any excerpts from it, so I'll limit my comments.

I think Gagne's allegations, plus those of Tom House about players in the late sixties and early seventies, do confirm that PEDs usage has been a lot higher for a lot longer than most fans realize.

And then there's the flip side, the fans who are convinced without any evidence that all baseball players used PEDs.

You left out Canseco and Caminiti both of whom put use at 50%+

[Migrant Redbird]

You left out Canseco and Caminiti both of whom put use at 50%+

I wasn't aware that Caminiti made an estimate and I don't give Canseco much credibility. However, I also omitted mention of the Mitchell Report and the "anonymous" 2003 list of players who flunked voluntary steroids tests. I didn't realize that I was supposed to write a comprehensive history of PEDs use.

[Can_of_corn]

I wasn't aware that Caminiti made an estimate and I don't give Canseco much credibility. However, I also omitted mention of the Mitchell Report and the "anonymous" 2003 list of players who flunked voluntary steroids tests. I didn't realize that I was supposed to write a comprehensive history of PEDs use.

You were mentioning former players who have come forward with projections concerning steroid use. I was merely providing additional information.

I don't give any of them a high degree of credibility as they were all trying to sell books.

No need to be testy.

[Gurgi]

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And then there's the flip side, the fans who are convinced without any evidence that all baseball players used PEDs.

While I am sure that not ALL players used. I am pretty certain that a majority probably did. I still think that a pretty decent percentage do them today.(10%?) They just havent gotten caught.

[Moose Milligan]

I wasn't aware that Caminiti made an estimate and I don't give Canseco much credibility. However, I also omitted mention of the Mitchell Report and the "anonymous" 2003 list of players who flunked voluntary steroids tests. I didn't realize that I was supposed to write a comprehensive history of PEDs use.

Militant Redbird! I guess you don't give Canseco credibility because he said McGwire used. And we all know that McGwire never did, right?

[Migrant Redbird]

Militant Redbird! I guess you don't give Canseco credibility because he said McGwire used. And we all know that McGwire never did, right?

Mike Wallace destroyed Canseco's credibility when he appeared on 6o Minutes. Google up the transcript if you don't recall it.

I'm not saying that Canseco never told the truth, just that it wasn't something on which you could depend.

Caminiti was a little different. His was something on the order of a deathbed confession and therefore would be more credible. However, my recollection was that he spoke primarily about his own use and I didn't recall him ever giving any estimates about overall use.

While I am sure that not ALL players used. I am pretty certain that a majority probably did.

I'm fairly confident that a large number of players have used PEDs, perhaps beginning as early as the fifties with synthetic anabolic steroids and even earlier with natural testosterone (Pud Galvin), but I'm uncomfortable with asserting that it was a majority. However, I wouldn't argue that it wasn't either.

I still think that a pretty decent percentage do them today.(10%?) They just havent gotten caught.

10% sounds like a reasonable WAG. So does 30-40%. There isn't enough publicly available information to make an informed estimate.

[Moose Milligan]

Mike Wallace destroyed Canseco's credibility when he appeared on 6o Minutes. Google up the transcript if you don't recall it.

I'm not saying that Canseco never told the truth, just that it wasn't something on which you could depend.

Caminiti was a little different. His was something on the order of a deathbed confession and therefore would be more credible. However, my recollection was that he spoke primarily about his own use and I didn't recall him ever giving any estimates about overall use.

I'm fairly confident that a large number of players have used PEDs, perhaps beginning as early as the fifties with synthetic anabolic steroids and even earlier with natural testosterone (Pud Galvin), but I'm uncomfortable with asserting that it was a majority. However, I wouldn't argue that it wasn't either.

10% sounds like a reasonable WAG. So does 30-40%. There isn't enough publicly available information to make an informed estimate.

But McGwire never used PEDs...right? Right? Say it ain't so!!

[Migrant Redbird]

But McGwire never used PEDs...right? Right? Say it ain't so!!

I never said he didn't. I just said the publicly available evidence wasn't sufficient to prove he did, and that was true at the time. However, I accept that confessions are usually gospel. Not always, but usually.