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Lucky Jim Hangout Grand Counsel

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Seems like we have to target Pie if we don't get Kemp or Jones.

When it's all said and done, we're going to have a lot of 25+ HR .300BA athletic type guys, but no leftimate HR/cleanup guys.

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Pie

Patterson ?

Markakis

Weiters

Votto

Rowell

Scott/Reimold

Snyder

SS ?

I'm not sure what "leftimate" is ( ;) ) but I'd take that line-up. With that kind of production, you can find a big, proven stick on the FA market.

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UMterp08 Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

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Seems like we have to target Pie if we don't get Kemp or Jones.

When it's all said and done, we're going to have a lot of 25+ HR .300BA athletic type guys, but no leftimate HR/cleanup guys.

Lineup

Pie

Patterson ?

Markakis

Weiters

Votto

Rowell

Scott/Reimold

Snyder

SS ?

Votto projects to be more like a .280/35 guy. I'd be pretty satisfied with him in the 4 hole. Rowell might get to that point too.

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Personally not a big fan of this deal...I like the Seattle deal more because you have an MLB player that has the potential to be an elite player at a premium position. Unless the Mariners are offering very little after Jones, I would have to prefer the Mariners' offer to this one.

Agreed if it is Clement....Jones + Clement > Cueto + Votto IMO.

The "rest of the trade" from the Reds isn't much unless that minor leaguer not named is very good.

The question is, what is AM valuing? Quality or quantity? Iwould like to see a mixture of both but if the M's would put Tillman on the board as the third player, i would take him over one of the SS, Stubbs and the mystery MiLer.

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Seems like we have to target Pie if we don't get Kemp or Jones.

When it's all said and done, we're going to have a lot of 25+ HR .300BA athletic type guys, but no legitimate HR/cleanup guys.

Lineup

Pie

Patterson ?

Markakis

Weiters

Votto

Rowell

Scott/Reimold

Snyder

SS ?

Wouldn't Loo/Janish be at SS?

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Seems like we have to target Pie if we don't get Kemp or Jones.

When it's all said and done, we're going to have a lot of 25+ HR .300BA athletic type guys, but no legitimate HR/cleanup guys.

Lineup

Pie

Patterson ?

Markakis

Weiters

Votto

Rowell

Scott/Reimold

Snyder

SS ?

I'd take a lineup full of .300 25 HR guys any day. Well, provided they take a walk once in awhile.

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Personally not a big fan of this deal...I like the Seattle deal more because you have an MLB player that has the potential to be an elite player at a premium position. Unless the Mariners are offering very little after Jones, I would have to prefer the Mariners' offer to this one.

Agreed, but AM wants pitching, and if they're unwilling to part with Morrow, I honestly don't see any great ones in their system. Cueto looks to be an elite pitching prospect, better than anyone we have in our system, and closer to being ML ready. I think he would easily step in and become a nice #4 next year, and possibly becoming number one or two down the road. I still would prefer the M's deal, but this seems to be AM's thinking, and with all the pitching depth, maybe we can spin two or three guys down the road for a guy like Jones in a year or two when we are ready to compete. (Probably not him specifically, but an elite CF prospect) Also, the feeling might be the Pie is coming back from the Cubs, and why create a logjam out in center? But the lack of a true SS prospect coming back in any deals is what frightens me...no LH, please.

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Lineup

Pie (L)

Patterson ? (L)

Markakis (L)

Weiters (S)

Votto (L)

Rowell (L)

Scott (L) /Reimold ®

Snyder ®

SS ?

Look at all the lefties...that can't work. We need a righty in the 2 slot and another power hitting righty (Tex is a switch hitter). FYI, Adam Jones is a righty and Clement is a lefty.

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Agreed if it is Clement....Jones + Clement > Cueto + Votto IMO.

The "rest of the trade" from the Reds isn't much unless that minor leaguer not named is very good.

The question is, what is AM valuing? Quality or quantity? Iwould like to see a mixture of both but if the M's would put Tillman on the board as the third player, i would take him over one of the SS, Stubbs and the mystery MiLer.

I think Drew Stubbs as a third prospect is interesting. High risk/reward type. We'll need to see what follows - but I'm not a big Janish fan.

I do think we're undervaluing this trade a bit - it's a good one. It's possible the Mariners can top it...but do we have evidence that Jones, Morrow, and Clement have all been offered?

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Wouldn't Loo/Janish be at SS?

Loo is not going to play a MLB game ever. Janish can't hit a lick. I don't want them in the deal.

Basically I don't like the deal. I'd rather go after Adam Jones and Clement. And then flip Clement for Brignac or another SS.

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