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Hard to say. What if Toronto's starting rotation hadn't been decimated by injuries, Longoria had played most of the season for Tampa, and Markakis, Reimold, and Hammel hadn't been hurt?

Yea guys get hurt. O's dealt with losses also.

I do think if your the Orioles you cannot assume your going to replicate the record with 1 run games or the record in extra innings. All reasons to improve were you can. SP, LF, 2B

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Yea guys get hurt. O's dealt with losses also.

I do think if your the Orioles you cannot assume your going to replicate the record with 1 run games or the record in extra innings. All reasons to improve were you can. SP, LF, 2B

I agree, thats why it's kind of hard to NOT think this may be a fluke year of sorts.

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Would it really surprise anyone if the Yankees have another 3rd place AL East finish next year?

It would surprise me.

I feel like Martin, Ichiro and Kuroda will all sign elsewhere(or retire) I see Pettite retiring. I would be shocked if Swisher comes back. Is Ibanez a FA?(His age makes me think yes, even so I could see him retire) I didn't know Granderson was a FA in the first place. That park fits Granderson well. However, I don't think overall despite being fast that hes a good player. You have to think A-Rod bounces back. Jeter who knows now that he's going under the knife.

I just think they will re-tool and get better guys. They might go after Hamilton. It wouldn't shock me. Then whatever big name pitchers are out there.

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Aren't there Yankees in every sport? I mean if teams like the Patriots, Packers or Giants don't win it this year I am sure those teams could see the season as a failure. What about in soccer for teams like Manchester United, Barcelona or Bayern Munich. If those teams do not win the championship they will consider the season a failure.

What I am trying to say is that the Yankees syndrome is something not only limited to baseball but too many other sports as well. There are always bigger and richer teams than others...

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Aren't there Yankees in every sport? I mean if teams like the Patriots, Packers or Giants don't win it this year I am sure those teams could see the season as a failure. What about in soccer for teams like Manchester United, Barcelona or Bayern Munich. If those teams do not win the championship they will consider the season a failure.

What I am trying to say is that the Yankees syndrome is something not only limited to baseball but too many other sports as well. There are always bigger and richer teams than others...

The Giants have never been a powerhouse. They have a fluke run every 5 or so years. The Patriots have a rock solid coach and QB. As long as those 2 are in tact, yes. But they will eventually retire. The Packers have a good QB and thats it. Bad O-Line and horrific D. In house maybe, but realistically? Just no.

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Aren't there Yankees in every sport? I mean if teams like the Patriots, Packers or Giants don't win it this year I am sure those teams could see the season as a failure. What about in soccer for teams like Manchester United, Barcelona or Bayern Munich. If those teams do not win the championship they will consider the season a failure.

What I am trying to say is that the Yankees syndrome is something not only limited to baseball but too many other sports as well. There are always bigger and richer teams than others...

Yes, there are. But baseball differs from soccer in that the Yanks' wealth stems directly from the territorial rights conferred upon them by MLB's monopoly. The league has set a rule that no one else can have a MLB franchise within X miles of NY city without the consent of the Yanks and Mets. In London there are, what, six or eight Premier League teams? Arsenal, Fulham, Tottenham, Chelsea, West Ham... I'm probably missing some... In Germany there are multiple teams to break up the market in each city. Even Bayern has faced some competition (although not much recently) from 1860, Unterhaching, etc. Germany itself isn't much bigger than, say, New York/Pennsylvania/NJ combined, and there are 18 Bundesliga teams (and 18 more 2. Bundesliga teams) breaking up the market. NY/PA/NJ have four MLB teams.

So MLB not only has territories of vastly unequal size/wealth reserved for different teams, but almost no salary restraints, either (as in the NBA, NFL, NHL). No one is allowed to encroach on the Yanks' territory, and there's nothing really stopping them from having as large a payroll as they want.

So maybe the end result is similar, but MLB rules almost pre-ordained that the Yanks would be dominant. Man U and Real and Barcelona developed their dominance over time, and (as far as I know) the league never slanted the rules to favor them.

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It would surprise me.

I feel like Martin, Ichiro and Kuroda will all sign elsewhere(or retire) I see Pettite retiring. I would be shocked if Swisher comes back. Is Ibanez a FA?(His age makes me think yes, even so I could see him retire) I didn't know Granderson was a FA in the first place. That park fits Granderson well. However, I don't think overall despite being fast that hes a good player. You have to think A-Rod bounces back. Jeter who knows now that he's going under the knife.

I just think they will re-tool and get better guys. They might go after Hamilton. It wouldn't shock me. Then whatever big name pitchers are out there.

Some thoughts:

-Ibanez is a FA after this year, he only made about $1M this year so you would think he is looking for a raise.

-At this point nothing Pettitte does would surprise me. I think I would even lean towards him coming back again because he pitched well this year.

-If I am reading cot's correctly........it looks like the Yankees control a club option on Granderson for 2013. But because he placed in the top 5 in the MVP voting last year, the option has increased to $15M for next year. I really have no idea if they would exercise it or not, I would think they probably will, because who else would they use? Gardner full time? maybe. Cano's 2013 option is also for $15M.

They have a lot of big roster decisions to make soon.

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Aren't there Yankees in every sport? I mean if teams like the Patriots, Packers or Giants don't win it this year I am sure those teams could see the season as a failure. What about in soccer for teams like Manchester United, Barcelona or Bayern Munich. If those teams do not win the championship they will consider the season a failure.

What I am trying to say is that the Yankees syndrome is something not only limited to baseball but too many other sports as well. There are always bigger and richer teams than others...

The Lakers and Celtics have both won 17 championships, and there have only been 65 NBA/BAA champs, so each has won 26%, and between the two franchises they have captured over half of all the titles! Pretty amazing, especially considering that the NBA has had a salary cap since the mid-80's.

The Yankees have won 27 of the 106 World Series ever played (not including this year). That puts them at right about the same 26% mark.

The closest comparison in the NFL, limiting it to just the Super Bowl era, would be Pittsburgh, winning 6 of the 46 played (13%), and appearing in 8 (17.4%), tied with Dallas.

The NHL has crowned a champion since 1918 (not in '05), 93 total. The Montreal Canadiens lead with 23 titles, about 25%. They haven't won one since 1993 though.

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