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Orioles must be aggresive this offseason


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Revenue isn't income. Who's to say that the MASN money isn't already accounted for in the Jones and Markakis deals?

I'm not saying that a $110-115 million payroll is out of the question, but I don't think it's a guarantee that it's sustainable.

That is true, but all I can go by is that. We really have no idea, how much profit is really being made. That does support your case, but I really feel the Orioles should be able to afford a 110-115 million dollar payroll, for the reasons I listed previously. I can't prove it per say, and all I can really do is list my reasons for my personal beliefs. Reality is, no one can say they can or can't either way, with any certainty.

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Hamilton = Belle. Whoever wins that lottery will end up regretting more than enjoying.

Seagar looks like he will be a fine ball player. Wish we had him. Worth an inquirey but I have not seen any indication tha Sea is willing to deal. I fear we would have to oversprnd by too large a margin to make this trade.

Bourne I could live with as long a he and AJ are OK and can play together. A happy and leading from the front AJ without Bourne is worth more than an unhappy face-of-the-franchise and bad locker room chem with Borne

Lohse I am fine with though I would prefer Shields or Haren

It always irks me, when people just list Belle as the worst of worst signings. The man had health issues, that no one saw coming. Was he a good guy? No. Was he a hell of a player when healthy? Yes.

In his two years with the O's, he had a .289/.371/.508/.879 and averaged 30 HR and 110 RBI.

And as for Jones not wanting to concede CF for Bourne. If he really considers himself a team leader, and truly just wants to win, he will do whats best for the Team. If not, then I question his self portrayed leader of the team.

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I could see a few or one of these thing happening (not Hamilton), like Bourne and Lohse (or Haren). I also think if the O's get serious about Bourne, Buck talks to AJ beforehand and he moves over with no problem. He is more of a team player IMO, than he is often given credit for.

I have not heard that our payroll will be significantly increased from last season. Have any of you?

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This team was not as good as their record indicated this season. Do I have all the numbers to show how they could afford a 100 million dollar plus payroll? No. But, I am 100% sure this team can afford to do whatever they want to this offseason. I want to see a winning team in this town for years to come. I know with the current team, we basically got a 1989 Orioles style team that will be terrible next season. There are way to many question marks. I get so sick of hearing how teams are not in major markets and can't afford this or that. I don't believe it and won't believe it. I believe when one buys a baseball team they are looking to put out a winning product for the city and state the team represents. And I also believe if you can buy a team, you can afford hundred million dollar payrolls. Look at Detroit, they are there because they spent money. And they are far from being a big market team. Winning is about building from the inside and outside, filling the gaps to make a championship team. As with Orioles fans they say if it ain't broken don't fix it. Well, going by that motto this team will be sailing to 90 losses next season.

Dude, I hear you, but you will become public enemy #1 for suggesting the Orioles spend money.

Just be careful with this line of reasoning.

MSK

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I think he was just having some fun with a "what if" type scenerio. What else is there to really talk about at this point? Why be rude with him?

And, the Orioles should be able to add to the budget.

A. Increased Attendence

B. Added playoff revenues

D. Increased sales in Merchandise

E. MASN ratings were way up

F. The new TV deal, that puts more money into everyones pocket.

They may not be able to spend 150 million, but they should be able to sustain a payroll in the 110-115 million dollar range.

Agreed. The OP only has 3 posts here, I'd be shocked to see many more. There's no reason to come down on someone like that when they're just starting a conversation. If their depth is lacking or there are holes in someone's argument so what? Does that give just cause to be rude...and then others to pile on? It shouldn't.

And I agree with the mention of increasing payroll. Hopefully with a successful season the Orioles will move a little closer to the middle of the pack area opposed to the bottom third.

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Dude, I hear you, but you will become public enemy #1 for suggesting the Orioles spend money.

Just be careful with this line of reasoning.

MSK

Yes, that is exactly why people are disagreeing with the OP. :rolleyes:

And way to offer an argument. The OP wants to add Bourn, Hamilton, and Lohse. That is close to $40M+ a year for those three players, besides the fact retaining the same team pushes us close to $100M already.

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Yes, that is exactly why people are disagreeing with the OP. :rolleyes:

And way to offer an argument. The OP wants to add Bourn, Hamilton, and Lohse. That is close to $40M+ a year for those three players, besides the fact retaining the same team pushes us close to $100M already.

People are piling on the guy just because he thinks we should be more aggressive in the offseason. A lot of us used to suggest that between 2006-2011 and many of us used to get slammed for suggesting we spend money on expensive free agents. You and I both know that is the case.

The OH has calmed down considerably over the last year as some of the more anti-AM and pro-spending people have been run off, banned or gotten fed up with the rudeness.

In any case, he should feel free to say what he wants without having the don't-spend crowd be rude.

MSK

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People are piling on the guy just because he thinks we should be more aggressive in the offseason. A lot of us used to suggest that between 2006-2011 and many of us used to get slammed for suggesting we spend money on expensive free agents. You and I both know that is the case.

The OH has calmed down considerably over the last year as some of the more anti-AM and pro-spending people have been run off, banned or gotten fed up with the rudeness.

In any case, he should feel free to say what he wants without having the don't-spend crowd be rude.

MSK

No one has been run off or banned for less than appropriate reasons. I agree, the board has calmed down since the organization has improved and the team has made the playoffs. I for one, welcomed the newcomer on his home page. Even though I disagree with some of his thoughts about how the team might improve. There is room for diverse viewpoints here. Just not for trolls.

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People are piling on the guy just because he thinks we should be more aggressive in the offseason. A lot of us used to suggest that between 2006-2011 and many of us used to get slammed for suggesting we spend money on expensive free agents. You and I both know that is the case.

The OH has calmed down considerably over the last year as some of the more anti-AM and pro-spending people have been run off, banned or gotten fed up with the rudeness.

In any case, he should feel free to say what he wants without having the don't-spend crowd be rude.

MSK

I don't know what post you are reading, but people aren't piling on because he wants to spend. Most of it was based on his assertion that Jones is lazy. The few people that mentioned payroll mentioned it because he wants to jack it up to $150m, which isn't realistic even for those claiming to want to increase payroll. You are the one trolling here trying to create an argument that doesn't exist.

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The OP moves remind me a lot of the Marlins moves last year. Move an established player to a new position for a big FA? Check. Sign a slightly above average innings eating veteran? Check. Spend more money than the net worth on the field? To be determined but I'll go ahead and say Hamiltons contract will have a sting of regret before the ink is dry.

Its fun to fill in holes with fantasy off season moves with no regard to a realistic budget while smoking mans favorite weed but its just not happening. The Orioles will make lackluster moves and hopefully follow the trend of last years and have the entire OH at a round table eating crow. That'd be nice.

Hamilton...lol

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