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Where would you like to see the Marlins moved?


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Not that it'll ever happen, for some reason, but this is always a fun topic. I'd say 'except for M's fans' but I don't think they have any left.

I'd love to see a team south of the border.

Yeah, I could see selling them to the Mexican leagues. Good idea.

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Is this trade really that abominable? They traded a few average-to-above-average players that were overpaid, and in exchange got younger players and raked over Toronto's farm.

That sounds like exactly the kind of trade a last-place team should be making. It's what Billy Beane does year-in and year-out, and he gets lauded as a baseball mastermind. And, over the course of the Loria era, they've been moderately successful. 5 winning seasons out of 10, and a WS ring. O's fans would kill for that record of success.

I get that Loria's kind of a dirtbag, but his dirtbaggery is tangent to the merits of this trade from a baseball perspective. It's also tangent to his (and his GM's) success as a baseball executive.

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Is this trade really that abominable? They traded a few average-to-above-average players that were overpaid, and in exchange got younger players and raked over Toronto's farm. That sounds like exactly the kind of trade a last-place team should be making

Any other team could get away with it. But not this one. Not now. Not with their fire sale history. Loria just got a brand new stadium + a redo with the city/fans. He promised things would be different this time, but instead he turns right around and goes ball stomping. This fire sale will kill whatever is left of that franchise. Wins/Losses no longer matter. Only thing that matters is the city, fans, and free agents will avoid the Marlins like the plague.

Whats going to be funny is seeing a brand new stadium only selling 5-10k tickets a night next year.

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Is this trade really that abominable? They traded a few average-to-above-average players that were overpaid, and in exchange got younger players and raked over Toronto's farm.

That sounds like exactly the kind of trade a last-place team should be making. It's what Billy Beane does year-in and year-out, and he gets lauded as a baseball mastermind. And, over the course of the Loria era, they've been moderately successful. 5 winning seasons out of 10, and a WS ring. O's fans would kill for that record of success.

I get that Loria's kind of a dirtbag, but his dirtbaggery is tangent to the merits of this trade from a baseball perspective. It's also tangent to his (and his GM's) success as a baseball executive.

Any other team could get away with it. But not this one. Not now. Not with their fire sale history. Loria just got a brand new stadium + a redo with the city/fans. He promised things would be different this time, but instead he turns right around and goes ball stomping. This fire sale will kill whatever is left of that franchise. Wins/Losses no longer matter. Only thing that matters is the city, fans, and free agents will avoid the Marlins like the plague.

Whats going to be funny is seeing a brand new stadium only selling 5-10k tickets a night next year.

Baseball-wise it was a sort of, kind of defensible trade. But PR wise it was sucidal. And it was exhibit #44,332 that Loria is scum. He put his hand on the Bible and super-duper swore that if he got a new stadium (at a cost to the taxpayers of a mere $600M plus interest) that Miami would be a great baseball town that would support a mid-to-high MLB payroll and he'd be all in with a winning ballclub. That lasted about six months before he began Marlins Self-Immolation #3. He's telling the taxpayers of Miami that he gave them a good 100 games to bump his revenues up to levels he really wanted, but it didn't work out, so we'll just ride out the 25 or 30 years remaining on the lease as the new St. Louis Browns.

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Is this trade really that abominable? They traded a few average-to-above-average players that were overpaid, and in exchange got younger players and raked over Toronto's farm.

That sounds like exactly the kind of trade a last-place team should be making. It's what Billy Beane does year-in and year-out, and he gets lauded as a baseball mastermind. And, over the course of the Loria era, they've been moderately successful. 5 winning seasons out of 10, and a WS ring. O's fans would kill for that record of success.

I get that Loria's kind of a dirtbag, but his dirtbaggery is tangent to the merits of this trade from a baseball perspective. It's also tangent to his (and his GM's) success as a baseball executive.

Agreed. I think the real pisser here is the stadium deal.

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I wish they could just switch the Rays and Marlins. Keep the teams in their respective leagues and just switch cities. Move the team fresh off a fire sale to a usually-empty dump (and have them take that home run statue with them), and move the good team to a new stadium in a city where the fans may come out if they have something to come out for. Tampa Bay Marlins, Miami Rays? I know it doesn't work that way but it would be fitting.

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Baseball-wise it was a sort of, kind of defensible trade. But PR wise it was sucidal. And it was exhibit #44,332 that Loria is scum. He put his hand on the Bible and super-duper swore that if he got a new stadium (at a cost to the taxpayers of a mere $600M plus interest) that Miami would be a great baseball town that would support a mid-to-high MLB payroll and he'd be all in with a winning ballclub. That lasted about six months before he began Marlins Self-Immolation #3. He's telling the taxpayers of Miami that he gave them a good 100 games to bump his revenues up to levels he really wanted, but it didn't work out, so we'll just ride out the 25 or 30 years remaining on the lease as the new St. Louis Browns.

Exactly. You don't go from one offseason where you spend money like a drunken sailor and within a year you jettison every single player who costs money.

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