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DrinkinWithFermi Perennial All-Star

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I know the Orioles have asked the Royals about him, but what would it take?

It sounds like the Royals want Pitching and more Pitching for him

Would: Pedro Strop, Jake Arrieta, LJ Hoes ..be enough?

Not a chance. Butler is under contract for 3 more years at a very reasonable price. Tillman, Matusz/Britton/Arrieta, Schoop, and another C+ prospect would probably be more realistic. And too much, IMO.

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Not a chance. Butler is under contract for 3 more years at a very reasonable price. Tillman, Britton/Arrieta, Schoop, and another C+ prospect would probably be more realistic. And too much, IMO.

You Kid!Butler is essentially a DH at this point. He under control for 3 seasons I believe. I think you'd see a 3-4 player deal that offered them 2 of the young starter pile of guys

Matusz, Britton, Arrieta, Johnson, Z Clark, Zagone, And their are a few more that started games at AAA late in the season that did pretty well.

I'd guess something like one of LH Britton or Matusz, one RH of Arrieta/Johnson/Clark/Zagone, Avery/Hoes type, and maybe another prospect not in the top 10.

That would give them 2 of our current top 10 (by Tony's projections) Johnson (if they pick him), Hoes/Avery, A young MLB starter type, and another B/C Type.

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Not a chance. Butler is under contract for 3 more years at a very reasonable price. Tillman, Britton/Arrieta, Schoop, and another C+ prospect would probably be more realistic. And too much, IMO.

Agree with this. Thinning out the young pitching is not a good idea IMO. They needed them all last year and I don't believe that has changed.

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You Kid!Butler is essentially a DH at this point. He under control for 3 seasons I believe. I think you'd see a 3-4 player deal that offered them 2 of the young starter pile of guys

Matusz, Britton, Arrieta, Johnson, Z Clark, Zagone, And their are a few more that started games at AAA late in the season that did pretty well.

I'd guess something like one of LH Britton or Matusz, one RH of Arrieta/Johnson/Clark/Zagone, Avery/Hoes type, and maybe another prospect not in the top 10.

That would give them 2 of our current top 10 (by Tony's projections) Johnson (if they pick him), Hoes/Avery, A young MLB starter type, and another B/C Type.

DH or not, Butler's a star player, and the face of their franchise- they aren't trading him for scraps and failed prospects, and that's pretty much all Matusz, Britton and Arrieta are until they prove otherwise. They don't have close to as much value as a lot of people here seem to think they do.

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Agree with this. Thinning out the young pitching is not a good idea IMO. They needed them all last year and I don't believe that has changed.

If two of Britton/Matusz/Arietta/Johnson, Strop, Hoes/Avery, and a C prospect could get Butler, then i'd be all over that deal. Other than Johnson, the other SP are just warm bodies at this point. We can find a couple minor league FA signings that can't throw strikes. And for that reason, they wont want any of Britton/Matusz/Arietta. Tillman might interest them, but he's the only one left, that has at the least, look like he finally has a clue as a SP.

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If you think Matusz and Britton wont be very solid MLB pitchers, I think you should think again.Matusz is headed for a breakout season . He found his mechanics and pitched lights out even when hurt

in the last six weeks. He was also arguably the best pitcher out of the bullpen in the last month.

His mechanics were improved and he was good, the problem is he did it in select situations usually vs LHB. His numbers vs RHB were prohibitively worse on the season and Buck knew it. If he can stay sound mechanically it will help but I don't look for him to be anything more than a BOR pitcher if he makes the rotation at all.

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Any deal for Billy Butler would start with Tillman. Then one of Matusz, Britton or Arietta. Then a guy like Reimold. Then a C+ type prospect. Thats the kind of deal it would take. The argument is whether it would be worth it or not, and if you think that would be a smart move by the Orioles.

I would seriously consider it, because I think Butler is one of the games premier hitters. Yes, I think that is a pretty steep cost. But I also think that Billy Butler in the middle of our order would be a force.

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If you think Matusz and Britton wont be very solid MLB pitchers, I think you should think again.Matusz is headed for a breakout season . He found his mechanics and pitched lights out even when hurt

in the last six weeks. He was also arguably the best pitcher out of the bullpen in the last month.

I don't necessarily disagree(especially in the case of Britton), I just don't think other teams value them enough for us to net anything worth trading them for.

I think two starters and a reliever may be enough but would include Avery. I think Arrieta and Britton plus Ayala may be enough. I would save Strop, Tillman and Andino for a deal with the Mets to get Dickey.

The Royals would laugh and hang up the phone and then call back and leave a 5 minute long voicemail compromised entirely of laughter if that was our offer for Billy Butler.

And there is no way I trade Tillman for a nearly 40 year old knuckleballer with one year until free agency. Tillman may just be the ace we've been looking for since Mussina left.

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I don't necessarily disagree(especially in the case of Britton), I just don't think other teams value them enough for us to net anything worth trading them for.

The Royals would laugh and hang up the phone and then call back and leave a 5 minute long voicemail compromised entirely with laughter if that was our offer for Billy Butler.

As I said earlier...I just don't see us being a good match with KC. I know they want pitching, but I think they are looking for more of younger, surer pitching.

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If two of Britton/Matusz/Arietta/Johnson, Strop, Hoes/Avery, and a C prospect could get Butler, then i'd be all over that deal. Other than Johnson, the other SP are just warm bodies at this point. We can find a couple minor league FA signings that can't throw strikes. And for that reason, they wont want any of Britton/Matusz/Arietta. Tillman might interest them, but he's the only one left, that has at the least, look like he finally has a clue as a SP.

Things change. A year Tillman and Gonzo were warm bodies as you call them. Any of the young pitchers could make big improvement next year. We don't know which ones will improve but history tells us some will. That's why the O's want to 10-12 deep in starters. That is why options are important.

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If you think Matusz and Britton wont be very solid MLB pitchers, I think you should think again.Matusz is headed for a breakout season . He found his mechanics and pitched lights out even when hurt

in the last six weeks. He was also arguably the best pitcher out of the bullpen in the last month.

Now he needs to find his change-up so he can get righthanded hitters out. He could do that this spring. He needs to do that this spring.

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