DD on hot stove next live from Winter Meetings (Again 12:40)

[Aglets]

In the four years since he became a semi-regular he's been worth something like 11-12 wins, or just shy of three a season. A $5M per win they're paying for 8 wins over three years, or 2.6 per year. Sounds just about right, if they're assuming inflation will rise at about the same rate he declines.

Drungo, aren't his WAR values all skewed based on what position he happens to be playing at the time? So if he puts up a 2.0 WAR while mostly playing catcher, doesn't that translate to an entirely different (likely LOWER) WAR value if he is a primary 1B?

[weams]

Yea, in 73 plate appearances. They couldn't be so dumb as to offer a deal based on 19 games worth of performance.

Adam Jones hits .443 with a 1.200 OPS in Nats' Park in a similar number of times up. Surprised the Nats didn't offer Strasburg and Harper straight up for him!

And yet, the veteran announcers of the MLB network gave a sly wink to this overlooked fact. A steal for the Red Sox they tell you. In other news, THe Jays claimed Eli Whiteside, who was designated by the Yankees. The Canadians now have five catchers on their 40 man roster.

[AZOriole]

And yet, the veteran announcers of the MLB network gave a sly wink to this overlooked fact. A steal for the Red Sox they tell you. In other news, THe Jays claimed Eli Whiteside, who was designated by the Yankees. The Canadians now have five catchers on their 40 man roster.

The Mets need a C, and are looking to trade Dickey. Could see something happening there.

[NCRaven]

I think we're missing the point on Duquette's statement. In arbitration, the arbitrator must choose either the team's tender offer or the players submission. The arbitrator can not pick a middle number. Also, the team can only cut a player's salary from one season to the next by a set amount (I believe 20%). Let's say the Orioles placed a value of $6.5 mil on Reynolds production and he countered at $12 mil. If the arbitrator determined that the O's offer was TOO low, he might go with Reynolds number. It's not about what the Orioles believe he could get on the market. It's that they really put a low number on his value, or at least on what they are willing to pay him, and think an arbitrator could simply reject that valuation, resulting in an artificiallly high arbitration award for Reynolds.

[Orange_Crush]

And yet, the veteran announcers of the MLB network gave a sly wink to this overlooked fact. A steal for the Red Sox they tell you. In other news, THe Jays claimed Eli Whiteside, who was designated by the Yankees. The Canadians now have five catchers on their 40 man roster.

Already??? Why?

[weams]

“Our agenda at the Winter Meetings is to try to find a hitter. We’ll keep working on that. It’s a possibility that may happen in the trade market. We also have more qualified Major League pitchers than we have slots, All those things are good things, right? So, we have a surplus as perceived by other teams that we can make a trade that could help us in other areas. I believe we’ll be able to do some good here.”

DD Thanks Britt

[Bohs&O's]

Pagan risigned with San fran.

Apparently close to resigning. Not official yet.

[Dark Helmet]

Pagan risigned with San fran.

Rosenthal said 3 or 4 years at probably north of 10M per. Crazy.

[Dark Helmet]

Already??? Why?

Mean's Arencebia will probably net them a pitcher. Dickey? Shields?

[clapdiddy]

Rosenthal said 3 or 4 years at probably north of 10M per. Crazy.

In today's dollars, Pagan is probably "worth" that.

[Redskins Rick]

Already??? Why?

Well, one is coming off Tommy John surgery, so hard to count on him, still four. I wonder if they are trying to work on a trade deal?

[waroriole]

Mean's Arencebia will probably net them a pitcher. Dickey? Shields?

Would you trade Dickey or Shields for Arencibia?

[hoosiers]

I think we're missing the point on Duquette's statement. In arbitration, the arbitrator must choose either the team's tender offer or the players submission. The arbitrator can not pick a middle number. Also, the team can only cut a player's salary from one season to the next by a set amount (I believe 20%). Let's say the Orioles placed a value of $6.5 mil on Reynolds production and he countered at $12 mil. If the arbitrator determined that the O's offer was TOO low, he might go with Reynolds number. It's not about what the Orioles believe he could get on the market. It's that they really put a low number on his value, or at least on what they are willing to pay him, and think an arbitrator could simply reject that valuation, resulting in an artificiallly high arbitration award for Reynolds.

Yeah, not sure why some folks are up in arms about the $12+M number. If we believe MR is worth $8M and MR puts in for $12M and an arbiter decides MR is worth $10.25M, then MR wins the case. One can play with the numbers all day, but it sounds like the Os were not comfortable with the range of possible MR's arbitration valuations relative to what they wanted to pay him.

And did not want to insult MR with an offer of $8M or so until those were the kind of numbers were thrown around by other organizations - it's a possibility.

Or MR's agent put out a valuation that would have led to a settlement closer to $12M-$14M. What was MR's WAR since his move to 1B - corresponded by his hot streak IIRC, and that projected over a full season?

[Dark Helmet]

Would you trade Dickey or Shields for Arencibia?

I doubt he'd get Shields. But I could see the Met's having some interest in a package for Dickey.

[Enjoy Terror]

Would you trade Dickey or Shields for Arencibia?

That would be the worst idea ever.

Wieters MIGHT get Dickey or Shields straight up, and Wieters is 2x the player and 10x the man Arencibia is.

(those stats are loose estimations on my part)