Who Grimsley named....

[Why Not?]

No huge revelations, but the players that Grimsley named was unsealed today:

NEW YORK (AP) — Jose Canseco, Lenny Dykstra, Glenallen Hill and Geronimo Berroa were accused of using steroids by former major league pitcher Jason Grimsley in a federal agent’s affidavit unsealed Thursday.

Grimsley also accused Chuck Knoblauch of using human growth hormone; David Segui and Allen Watson of using performance-enhancing drugs; and Rafael Palmeiro and Pete Incaviglia of taking amphetamines, according to IRS Special Agent Jeff Novitzky’s sworn statement.

All but Incaviglia, Berroa and Watson were mentioned last week in the Mitchell Report on doping in baseball.

[BaltimoreTerp]

He also mentioned Sosa, according to Pedro Gomez.

Three more GD Orioles!

[Why Not?]

He also mentioned Sosa, according to Pedro Gomez.

Three more GD Orioles!

I saw that report, but AP says the only mention of Sosa was a conversation between Grimsley, Raffy and Sosa about the effect of the speed ban. I don't think Grimsley said anything about Sosa and steroids. Still, the report was accompianied by a bunch of highlights of Sosa!

[blueberryale77]

No huge revelations, but the players that Grimsley named was unsealed today:

NEW YORK (AP) — Jose Canseco, Lenny Dykstra, Glenallen Hill and Geronimo Berroa were accused of using steroids by former major league pitcher Jason Grimsley in a federal agent’s affidavit unsealed Thursday.

Grimsley also accused Chuck Knoblauch of using human growth hormone; David Segui and Allen Watson of using performance-enhancing drugs; and Rafael Palmeiro and Pete Incaviglia of taking amphetamines, according to IRS Special Agent Jeff Novitzky’s sworn statement.

All but Incaviglia, Berroa and Watson were mentioned last week in the Mitchell Report on doping in baseball.

Wow, so the LA Times didn't get a single name right?! What a huge mistake for them! Sounds like the same turkey who provided the fake Mitchell list provided that one too! This is even worse for Brian Roberts since the reason Bigbie was questioned about him and ended up telling about the conversation where he said he tried it once was probably the published story that he had been named by Grimsley. If Roberts had waited two more days to tell his story, he probably never would have had to. That's an epic run of bad luck. As usual, nice guys finish last.

[MikeAD]

Wow, so the LA Times didn't get a single name right?! What a huge mistake for them! Sounds like the same turkey who provided the fake Mitchell list provided that one too! This is even worse for Brian Roberts since the reason Bigbie was questioned about him and ended up telling about the conversation where he said he tried it once was probably the published story that he had been named by Grimsley. If Roberts had waited two more days to tell his story, he probably never would have had to. That's an epic run of bad luck. As usual, nice guys finish last.

Brian did steroids. End of story, who cares if he admited to it or not. So if Brian had waited two days and allowed this report to come out, then he could have just hid the truth or pretended he didn't use?

[blueberryale77]

Brian did steroids. End of story, who cares if he admited to it or not. So if Brian had waited two days and allowed this report to come out, then he could have just hid the truth or pretended he didn't use?

At this point, a lot of people would be falling all over themselves apologizing to him if he hadn't just admitted to it. Three days ago, the national media and his fellow players were blasting the report for including him on so little evidence. Now, he'd have people's sympathy again for having been falsely named by the LA Times. He did the right thing by being completely honest about his indiscretion, but his reputation and his career would be a lot better off if he hadn't. It's just sad, that's all. So sue me if I think a good person should be able to try drugs once in their life and not be made a pariah for it!

[MikeAD]

At this point, a lot of people would be falling all over themselves apologizing to him if he hadn't just admitted to it. Three days ago, the national media and his fellow players were blasting the report for including him on so little evidence. Now, he'd have people's sympathy again for having been falsely named by the LA Times. He did the right thing by being completely honest about his indiscretion, but his reputation and his career would be a lot better off if he hadn't. It's just sad, that's all. So sue me if I think a good person should be able to try drugs once in their life and not be made a pariah for it!

Do you really think if he hadn't admited it, and this report came out on who Grimsley named, that his image would be any different than it is. The fact that Grimsley didn't name him does nothing to deal with the fact that he was listed in the Mitchell report for using steroids.

Further, even if Bigbie would have never "spilled the beans" on Roberts and the rest if the LA Times hadn't released those wrong names, it still doesn't change the fact that Roberts used steroids.

I'd rather the fans know the truth about him then to have his secret stay hidden.

My view on Roberts hasn't changed, I could care less what he did, I really don't think anyone would do steroids once, as there would be no way to even assess results from one time use.

[blueberryale77]

Do you really think if he hadn't admited it, and this report came out on who Grimsley named, that his image would be any different than it is. The fact that Grimsley didn't name him does nothing to deal with the fact that he was listed in the Mitchell report for using steroids.

Further, even if Bigbie would have never "spilled the beans" on Roberts and the rest if the LA Times hadn't released those wrong names, it still doesn't change the fact that Roberts used steroids.

I'd rather the fans know the truth about him then to have his secret stay hidden.

My view on Roberts hasn't changed, I could care less what he did, I really don't think anyone would do steroids once, as there would be no way to even assess results from one time use.

My point is that a) Bigbie probably wouldn't have been questioned about him specifically if he hadn't been believed to be in the Grimsley document, and b) his alleged inclusion in the Grimsley report was cited by many as a reason not to believe his confession. If not for the LA Times' irresponsible reporting, he might very well still be among the 90+ percent of baseball players who have used some amount of steroids who have not been publicly outed. There's really no point in knowing about a few when so many are still anonymous. Furthermore, it is completely possible to start to do something wrong and then change your mind before you finish doing it. Guilt is a very reasonable motivating factor, particularly for someone as religious and generally ethical as Roberts has shown himself to be over the years. I would imagine there are quite a few young men who take a single shot of steroids, feel horrible about it, and don't complete their cycle. I don't find it at all difficult to picture Brian Roberts being one of them. After all, he had resisted for two years while most of his closest friends and colleagues, as evidenced by the report, were using regularly around him. Why is it not plausible that the same moral compass that kept him clean in 2001 and 2002 returned right after he took that one fateful shot?

[Migrant Redbird]

Isn't it interesting how so many fans are now saying "I don't care" about who used steroids since the Mitchell Report is out and named at least a player or two from every team. It was a lot easier to wax indignant when it was just Canseco, Caminiti, Giambi, and Bonds who'd been fingered but, once fans saw their own favorite players on the list, all of a sudden it's no longer such a big deal.

[MikeAD]

Isn't it interesting how so many fans are now saying "I don't care" about who used steroids since the Mitchell Report is out and named at least a player or two from every team. It was a lot easier to wax indignant when it was just Canseco, Caminiti, Giambi, and Bonds who'd been fingered but, once fans saw their own favorite players on the list, all of a sudden it's no longer such a big deal.

I don't know man, I really never cared. I still assume (perhaps incorrectly) that many, perhaps most MLB players have used some form of performance enhancers.

The whole era is tainted.

The only thing I'd like to see is for it to come out that Schilling used at some point. I mean hes been so adamately opposed to even people who are rumored to be uses...there must be something hes trying to hide .

And really, we still don't know what steroids do. For every Barry Bonds type user theres also a Gary Cates Jr user, so we can't just say that the numbers were drastically affected (although the power numbers probably are).