Josh Hamilton market update - 3 years $60-75 million

[joedogg9999]

Im starting to ge the feeling that we wont get anyone significant this season. In which case ill be inferiated, especially if the yankeea land hamilton. The redsox have already reloaded some, they jays are stacked now, and the orioles are sitting here doing nothing. They need to land a billy butler quality player or they will fall back to the cellar of the al east

[Can_of_corn]

Im starting to ge the feeling that we wont get anyone significant this season. In which case ill be inferiated, especially if the yankeea land hamilton. The redsox have already reloaded some, they jays are stacked now, and the orioles are sitting here doing nothing. They need to land a billy butler quality player or they will fall back to the cellar of the al east

The Yankees won't sign Hamilton. The Red Sox have added a bunch of guys that would be good for turning an 87 win team into a 91 win team...but they lost 93 last season. The Jays took on a ton of payroll, sure they added talent but I didn't like any of those contracts last winter when the Marlins handed them out.

[MemorialStadKid]

The Yankees won't sign Hamilton. The Red Sox have added a bunch of guys that would be good for turning an 87 win team into a 91 win team...but they lost 93 last season. The Jays took on a ton of payroll, sure they added talent but I didn't like any of those contracts last winter when the Marlins handed them out.

But are WE improving? There's always talk of how bad some other team's contracts appear, but are they a better team?

That's really the issue.

MSK

[Brendan25]

But are WE improving? There's always talk of how bad some other team's contracts appear, but are they a better team?

That's really the issue.

MSK

The short answer is yes, we are improving.

[waroriole]

We should do a 3 yr @ $65 mil with a $5 mil buyout for a 4th. Safer bet with Hamilton despite all the baggage than 9 year $200 mil for prince.

Why? No chance that's accepted

[TradeAngelos]

The Yankees won't sign Hamilton. The Red Sox have added a bunch of guys that would be good for turning an 87 win team into a 91 win team...but they lost 93 last season. The Jays took on a ton of payroll, sure they added talent but I didn't like any of those contracts last winter when the Marlins handed them out.

But the Jays added talent, just as you said. That is all that matters. I doubt the contracts are hitting home runs or pitching next year, they are completely irrelevant and mean nothing in regards to the results you will see for the 2013 Blue Jays in the W/L column.

This isn't a "who can get the most bang for their buck contest" last time I checked. It is about winning baseball games, and talent is what gets that done whether they pay them 1 dollar or a billion dollars.

[Brendan25]

But the Jays added talent, just as you said. That is all that matters. I doubt the contracts are hitting home runs or pitching next year, they are completely irrelevant and mean nothing in regards to the results you will see for the 2013 Blue Jays in the W/L column.

This isn't a "who can get the most bang for their buck contest" last time I checked. It is about winning baseball games, and talent is what gets that done whether they pay them 1 dollar or a billion dollars.

Tell that to the Red Sox who thought they were adding talent over the past 2-3 offseasons, specifically with Carl Crawford.

[Can_of_corn]

But are WE improving? There's always talk of how bad some other team's contracts appear, but are they a better team?

That's really the issue.

MSK

Not that I can see.

But the Jays added talent, just as you said. That is all that matters. I doubt the contracts are hitting home runs or pitching next year, they are completely irrelevant and mean nothing in regards to the results you will see for the 2013 Blue Jays in the W/L column.

This isn't a "who can get the most bang for their buck contest" last time I checked. It is about winning baseball games, and talent is what gets that done whether they pay them 1 dollar or a billion dollars.

Even if PA opened up the faucets on the MASN money the O's can not spend with New York, Boston and Toronto if those teams really want to spend.

I am also not really that impressed with Toronto even after the additions.

[DrungoHazewood]

We should do a 3 yr @ $65 mil with a $5 mil buyout for a 4th. Safer bet with Hamilton despite all the baggage than 9 year $200 mil for prince.

That's probably not going to work, but some relatively low-base, high-incentive deal just might in the current Hamilton market. Maybe you could even get Angelos to bite off on a deal with a 4/80 base with a bunch of vesting clauses, escalators, and termination/opt-out stuff built in. If he's healthy and drug-free he could make 150M over six years, if stuff goes wrong the O's are somewhat protected. If his only other real options are a little more guaranteed cash, but much lower ceiling maybe he signs.

[DrinkinWithFermi]

Depends on what you mean by "closer". Hamilton might give you $60M worth of value on a $100M contract with great years interspersed with half-seasons of meh, while Victorino only falls short of his by $20M while giving you three almost-average seasons.

I have no trouble seeing Victorino being worth 6-8 WAR over his age 32-34 seasons, especially in Fenway with good power against lefties. His speed and defense are other strengths that should remain fairly consistent over that period which makes it unlikely that he'll lose too much value. That should make his contract pretty reasonable.

Hamilton, on the other hand, would need to be worth 18-20 WAR over the life of his contract to justify 4 years and $100 million. And his injury history, combined with his age and the damage he did to himself through years of drug abuse, makes that a longshot, IMO.

[weams]

Im starting to ge the feeling that we wont get anyone significant this season. In which case ill be inferiated, especially if the yankeea land hamilton. The redsox have already reloaded some, they jays are stacked now, and the orioles are sitting here doing nothing. They need to land a billy butler quality player or they will fall back to the cellar of the al east

Please take the time to capitalize and spell when you choose to post here. Thanks.

[JayThomas]

Count me in as very disappointed if someone does sign Josh at 3/4 yrs and 75/80M and the O's aren't involved at all. No matter what the outcome, to me that is a shot you have to take. Our window with Weiters and Markakis (signed and hopefully in good health) isn't going to last forever.

[DrinkinWithFermi]

But the Jays added talent, just as you said. That is all that matters. I doubt the contracts are hitting home runs or pitching next year, they are completely irrelevant and mean nothing in regards to the results you will see for the 2013 Blue Jays in the W/L column.

This isn't a "who can get the most bang for their buck contest" last time I checked. It is about winning baseball games, and talent is what gets that done whether they pay them 1 dollar or a billion dollars.

Do you work for the federal government?

The contracts absolutely do matter. If we waste all of our finite money on one incredibly risky player that doesn't perform/stay healthy, that's less money left over to improve other areas or re-sign important players heading for free agency. This isn't franchise mode on MLB The Show for PS3. Real teams don't get to go into the options menu and click the box for "Ignore Budgets." Ask the New York Mets how well that strategy works.

[Winter]

Do you work for the federal government?

The contracts absolutely do matter. If we waste all of our finite money on one incredibly risky player that doesn't perform/stay healthy, that's less money left over to improve other areas or re-sign important players heading for free agency. This isn't franchise mode on MLB The Show for PS3. Real teams don't get to go into the options menu and click the box for "Ignore Budgets." Ask the New York Mets how well that strategy works.

Ok mets are an example of bad spending...How about the Giants as an example? Or the Cards? Tigers made it to the world series...Rangers made it back2back years...Ok so after we ask the mets how spending worked out for them can we ask these other teams to?

[NATTYBO's]

The short answer is yes, we are improving.

HUH?? I know I know Markakis will be healthy we will have McLouth for the entire year and Davis/Machdo/Wieters/Hardy all can't do anything but improve.....oh yea and there's Reimold. Or we find out for sure the 2011 & 2012 Wieters is what we will get for 2013 & beyon and other could regress. We have a golden opportunity to keep the momentum and add to this team and we haven't taken advantage yet. We also have more revnue then ever and it should be used to keep us competitive.