Peter Angelos...Good owner or Bad owner.

[TonySoprano]

(Dip voted, now sits back and waits for the fireworks!)

Dips vote obviously was for Pete Angelos the lawyer and not the baseball owner.

[raypetty]

When was the last time he REALLY spent money to help the team win?????????????

[Mayor McCheese]

When was the last time he REALLY spent money to help the team win?????????????

May 27, 2012.

It took a while.. but its a start.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7977202/baltimore-orioles-sign-adam-jones-six-year-855m-extension

[Brendan25]

May 27, 2012.

It took a while.. but its a start.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7977202/baltimore-orioles-sign-adam-jones-six-year-855m-extension

That doesn't count apparently. You need to spend on someone from outside of the organization.

[Palmoripken]

That doesn't count apparently. You need to spend on someone from outside of the organization.

Yeah, this is my problem with some of Angelos's detractors. I am not against signing free agents but I am certainly against stupid free agent signings too.

[DrungoHazewood]

While I will occasionally get into disputes with some of the more aggressive anti-Angelos folks, I find it difficult to believe anyone truly believes Peter Angelos is a good owner. In the 20-odd years he's owned the team they've rarely lurched towards having sustainable success, and if they actually get there now it'll be a first.

[raypetty]

That doesn't count apparently. You need to spend on someone from outside of the organization.

Exactly. The only way to beat PA and POSSIBLY get him to spend money is not buy season tickets and watch the games locally on TV. Maybe, just maybe he feels the pain and gets the message and begins to spend but I doubt it. Sorry but it's the truth. The last time he really spent on players outside of the organization was back in the late 80s and early early 90s.

[raypetty]

May 27, 2012.

It took a while.. but its a start.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7977202/baltimore-orioles-sign-adam-jones-six-year-855m-extension

PA is this you who responded?

[Brendan25]

Exactly. The only way to beat PA and POSSIBLY get him to spend money is not buy season tickets and watch the games locally on TV. Maybe, just maybe he feels the pain and gets the message and begins to spend but I doubt it. Sorry but it's the truth. The last time he really spent on players outside of the organization was back in the late 80s and early early 90s.

I was being sarcastic. PA has paid his own players lately. He paid Miggy. He payed Vlad and Derrek Lee solid money for one year. Jsut because he doesn't overpsend for average players doesn't mean he doesn't spend. I hate the whole argument that our payroll should be higher because he has it. It's just insane.

[Palmoripken]

Exactly. The only way to beat PA and POSSIBLY get him to spend money is not buy season tickets and watch the games locally on TV. Maybe, just maybe he feels the pain and gets the message and begins to spend but I doubt it. Sorry but it's the truth. The last time he really spent on players outside of the organization was back in the late 80s and early early 90s.

Okay, this is idiotic. You want him to spend more money yet you're advocating that people not buy season tickets which money wise could go to some of the FA's you want. That just sounds counter-productive to me. And Angelos wasn't the owner in the late 80's and early 90's.

[wildcard]

Bad owner who has finally made a couple of good decisions signing Buck and DD. I hope he has the sense to pay Buck and get him signed to a three year contract.

[ShaneDawg85]

Exactly. The only way to beat PA and POSSIBLY get him to spend money is not buy season tickets and watch the games locally on TV. Maybe, just maybe he feels the pain and gets the message and begins to spend but I doubt it. Sorry but it's the truth. The last time he really spent on players outside of the organization was back in the late 80s and early early 90s.

First off, Peter Angelos became the owner in 1993, therefore, he wasn't even in the picture in the late 80's, when by the way, the Orioles had spent money on free agents at the expense of the farm system, and it led them to having the worst season in the history of the Orioles.

Second, this make him feel the pain argument has gone on forever, and it has never held any water. It's been well documented the attendance decrease at Camden Yards since the late 1990's up until this past year, and what did that amount to? Did that force Angelos to spend money? Well he spent it over the years, contrary to what people might say, but he sure didn't spend it wisely. Peter Angelos wasn't suffering through all those years from a financial or desire to win standpoint, and he sure isn't suffering now. If people want to not come out to the ballpark that's their right and decision, but it didn't make a difference then, and it won't make a difference now, or ever.

[Palmoripken]

To me Angelos' biggest failing is not in the FA market but player development. If we want to avoid what happened to us after 1997, we need to build a rich farm system. I'd much rather have that than the free agents.

[Mayor McCheese]

Exactly. The only way to beat PA and POSSIBLY get him to spend money is not buy season tickets and watch the games locally on TV. Maybe, just maybe he feels the pain and gets the message and begins to spend but I doubt it. Sorry but it's the truth. The last time he really spent on players outside of the organization was back in the late 80s and early early 90s.

Ted Lerner is that you?

[Brendan25]

To me Angelos' biggest failing is not in the FA market but player development. If we want to avoid what happened to us after 1997, we need to build a rich farm system. I'd much rather have that than the free agents.

Completely, 110% agree.