Orioles have talked to Tigers about Porcello...

[The Rick]

I like him as a fallback option, but I'd rather just sign somone like Saunders or Marcum then trade for Porcello.

Marcum also has some pretty scary injury concerns with that shoulder.

[RVAbird]

The stats I see for Porcello really worry me.

That's interesting. The stats I see paint him as a potential breakout candidate.

[Capn Vivi]

Clearly the Orioles aren't going to acquire Porcello and sign Saunders. I wonder which one is the back-up plan?

[Mayor McCheese]

Clearly the Orioles aren't going to acquire Porcello and sign Saunders. I wonder which one is the back-up plan?

I would think Saunders would be #1 because he only costs us $$ and no other compensation. If Saunders gets overpaid by a team like the NYM, I could see us maybe open to a trade with the Tigers.

IMO I don't see us ending up with either one.

[RVAbird]

Bumping this thread, because some new news broke this morning. Apparently the Tigers are looking for an OF and/or bullpen help in return.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/4971/rick-porcello

I'd have to think names like Strop, Patton and Reimold would interest DET.

[Number5]

He put up a 1.13 GB/FB ratio last year, with a crappy infield defense behind him. That GB/FB ratio would help him a lot in Baltimore with our solid IF defense, for sure. He posted a 3.9 FIP/xFIP last year. He'll give up the occasional homer, but I think he'd improve with a good defense behind him, like our's.

Actually, 1.13 is his lifetime GB/FB ratio and last year he was at 1.16, but I agree with your points. Wildcard had posted a chart of the Tigers SP's ERA/WHIP stats in the Jim Johnson threat, to which I added the ground ball ratios. I don't think I would trade Johnson for him, and trading Hardy would seem to defeat the whole purpose of supporting him with a strong infield defense, IMO. I would be interested in Porcello, but my offer would pretty much max out at Strop. He isn't in the Tigers' plans, or so it seems, so I really don't see why it should cost a Johnson or a Hardy. If the Mariners or Mets want to overpay, let them, but I would hesitate to do so.

[The Rick]

Actually, 1.13 is his lifetime GB/FB ratio and last year he was at 1.16, but I agree with your points. Wildcard had posted a chart of the Tigers SP's ERA/WHIP stats in the Jim Johnson threat, to which I added the ground ball ratios. I don't think I would trade Johnson for him, and trading Hardy would seem to defeat the whole purpose of supporting him with a strong infield defense, IMO. I would be interested in Porcello, but my offer would pretty much max out at Strop. He isn't in the Tigers' plans, or so it seems, so I really don't see why it should cost a Johnson or a Hardy. If the Mariners or Mets want to overpay, let them, but I would hesitate to do so.

I'd still do JJ I think, but not Hardy, for the reason you stated. Not to mention, if we traded Hardy, who would bat #2?

I'd also be open to Strop + (Hoes, Avery, Insert minor leaguer here), or if absolutely pushed, Reimold. Ideally we keep Reimold and try to be the beneficiary if/when he finally stays healthy for a full season and reaches his potential... but if he can get us a Porcello type, I'd do it.

[wildcard]

I'd have to think names like Strop, Patton and Reimold would interest DET.

I think keeping Strop interests the O's also.

[The Rick]

I think keeping Strop interests the O's also.

It does. But not when we can trade in our most likely reliever to regress (IMO), for a 24 year old starting pitcher breakout candidate.

[wildcard]

It does. But not when we can trade in our most likely reliever to regress (IMO), for a 24 year old starting pitcher breakout candidate.

Breakout or breakdown? The Tigers are trading him because he is getting too expensive for his production. That not a very good endorsement.

[The Rick]

Breakout or breakdown? The Tigers are trading him because he is getting too expensive for his production. That not a very good endorsement.

Wrong. They're probably trading him because they know their defense isn't going to help him out anytime soon.

[RVAbird]

Breakout or breakdown? The Tigers are trading him because he is getting too expensive for his production. That not a very good endorsement.

I would say, with an average or better infield defense and continued peripheral progress, there's a very good (>30%) chance of 180+ IP to a 4.00 ERA or better. At age 24, that's a breakout candidate to me.

[Mt. Holly]

I was watching Wall to Wall Baseball today and Roch mentioned an unsubstantiated rumor out of Detroit. He was careful to say that no National media has mentioned it though. The deal would be Hardy for Porcello and Peraulta. If this had legs, what would be the reaction?

[RVAbird]

I was watching Wall to Wall Baseball today and Roch mentioned an unsubstantiated rumor out of Detroit. He was careful to say that no National media has mentioned it though. The deal would be Hardy for Porcello and Peraulta. If this had legs, what would be the reaction?

It doesn't have legs. It was a speculative report based on a speculative tweet. No better than a message board hypothetical.

More substantiated rumors have them eyeing bullpen help and an outfield bat.

[wildcard]

I was watching Wall to Wall Baseball today and Roch mentioned an unsubstantiated rumor out of Detroit. He was careful to say that no National media has mentioned it though. The deal would be Hardy for Porcello and Peraulta. If this had legs, what would be the reaction?

If you are going to report what was said report it correctly. Roch said that the Hardy for Porcello trade was from some blogger and it came in the form of a question. "Since Machado can play SS do you think that Porcello could bring back Hardy?" It has no legs.

I watched Wall to Wall today too.