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clarence Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

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I would think DD has sent out feelers on what teams might be willing to give for JJ. I think with O'Day and Strop at the backend of the bullpen, we would be fine if the haul for JJ was really good. I don't see us paying him top closer money next offseason, so I'd rather get a couple good prospects for him than hope for some supplemental first round pick after he leaves.

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I would think DD has sent out feelers on what teams might be willing to give for JJ. I think with O'Day and Strop at the backend of the bullpen, we would be fine if the haul for JJ was really good. I don't see us paying him top closer money next offseason, so I'd rather get a couple good prospects for him than hope for some supplemental first round pick after he leaves.

The O's will be going for the World Series in 2013. I can't see them trading Johnson or O'Day or Strop for prospects. Ayala or Patton or Hunter or Matusz for a MOO hitter maybe.

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The O's will be going for the World Series in 2013. I can't see them trading Johnson or O'Day or Strop for prospects. Ayala or Patton or Hunter or Matusz for a MOO hitter maybe.

All teams are going for the World Series next year. The Orioles appear to be working with a budget, so getting a bat may be dependant on moving some salary away. JJ is probably the only salary "relief" player that has any trade value, outside of Jones, and I doubt they would want to trade AJ.

Relief pithers vary so much from year to year. JJ could be a 5 or so million dollar bust in 2013, and it would not be a shock to anyone. They have some capable guys to close out games next year.

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All teams are going for the World Series next year. The Orioles appear to be working with a budget, so getting a bat may be dependant on moving some salary away. JJ is probably the only salary "relief" player that has any trade value, outside of Jones, and I doubt they would want to trade AJ.

Relief pithers vary so much from year to year. JJ could be a 5 or so million dollar bust in 2013, and it would not be a shock to anyone. They have some capable guys to close out games next year.

JMO but I consider JJ solid. I think he stays.

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It would take A LOT for me to begin to considering a JJ trade. 99% of me is against any notion of trading him. I thought he was amazing last year --- wish he hadn't coughed up that save in the Bronx --- but we wouldn't have gotten to the playoffs without him.

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Sorry, but Porcello led the league in hits allowed last year in only 176 innings. His WHIP has gotten worse every year for the last four. The last three years his ERA is over 5.00. I would not give up Strop of this guy. He is a project.

Last year, in his age 23 season, Porcello put up a 4.59 ERA with a 3.90 FIP/xFIP (Fielding Independent)... Detroit's infield defense is bad. Our's is very good. The reason his WHIP and hits allowed have gone up are because of that bad defense behind him. He has a 1.13 GB/FB ratio. Last year his K/9, SwSt%, St% and FB velocity were up from 2011. He'll be 24 for us next season. These are all reasons which indicate he'd be a #4, at a minimum, for us next year. I haven't really seen any good reasons to suggest he's merely a "project".

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Last year, in his age 23 season, Porcello put up a 4.59 ERA with a 3.90 FIP/xFIP (Fielding Independent)... Detroit's infield defense is bad. Our's is very good. The reason his WHIP and hits allowed have gone up are because of that bad defense behind him. He has a 1.13 GB/FB ratio. Last year his K/9, SwSt%, St% and FB velocity were up from 2011. He'll be 24 for us next season. These are all reasons which indicate he'd be a #4, at a minimum, for us next year. I haven't really seen any good reasons to suggest he's merely a "project".

Its a big gamble. He has gotten worse every year. I would not trade Strop for him. The Tigers have the offense to cover for him with his high ERA hits and WHIP. The O's don't.

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I haven't seen too many people address what I consider to be the main point of my post...that JJ is one of the strongest sell-high candidates that we have. I didn't throw his name out randomly.

That is opposed to Strop, who I consider sell-medium or so, and Tillman, whose stock I think is considerably lower. I am strongly opposed to trading Tillman when other teams don't see the potential that we saw this past half-season.

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Last year, in his age 23 season, Porcello put up a 4.59 ERA with a 3.90 FIP/xFIP (Fielding Independent)... Detroit's infield defense is bad. Our's is very good. The reason his WHIP and hits allowed have gone up are because of that bad defense behind him. He has a 1.13 GB/FB ratio. Last year his K/9, SwSt%, St% and FB velocity were up from 2011. He'll be 24 for us next season. These are all reasons which indicate he'd be a #4, at a minimum, for us next year. I haven't really seen any good reasons to suggest he's merely a "project".

Ah, but, you see, Rick Porcello is not a "Baltimore Oriole". If he were, he would of course be full of potential with an impeccable draft pedigree, and off the table unless you're getting an impact bat in return. But since Rick Porcello is a "Detroit Tiger", he's a project who's not worth our third-best reliever, acquired as a PTBNL, who is probably the single most likely candidate for negative regression on the roster.

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Sorry, but Porcello led the league in hits allowed last year in only 176 innings. His WHIP has gotten worse every year for the last four. The last three years his ERA is over 5.00. I would not give up Strop of this guy. He is a project.

Throwing 176 innings is a lot. He was also tied for 15th with fewest walks allowed last year with C.C.. (or pitchers throwing at least 140 IP). So that's part of it too.

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