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First off let me say, as a Reds fan I have really enjoyed lurking the last couple of days in your forums, very nice place you all have here. WWW.REDSZONE.COM is our equivelent.

As for the Hamilton trade, the Reds fan viewpoint is that this now ends the need for the Reds to make a trade for Bedard.

I find it peculiar that a team could be chasing an ace like Bedard and instead decide to go with a Kuroda or a Volquez (or a Carlos Silva, though reports are that the M's wanted 2 pitchers anyway). They are entirely different commodities.

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I find it peculiar that a team could be chasing an ace like Bedard and instead decide to go with a Kuroda or a Volquez (or a Carlos Silva, though reports are that the M's wanted 2 pitchers anyway). They are entirely different commodities.

I don't think this cools the Bedard talk from the Cincinnati point of view, but I definitely think this removes all doubt that Jay Bruce is not on the table. With Hamilton gone, Bruce shifts into opening day CF, I think.

Though, with Volquez in the mix, I could possibly see Bailey AND Cueto moving in the same deal. Not that I'd be thrilled with that, but I could see it. At the very least, it would spread the risk of a deal busting slightly, from the O's point of view.

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I don't think this cools the Bedard talk from the Cincinnati point of view, but I definitely think this removes all doubt that Jay Bruce is not on the table. With Hamilton gone, Bruce shifts into opening day CF, I think.

Though, with Volquez in the mix, I could possibly see Bailey AND Cueto moving in the same deal. Not that I'd be thrilled with that, but I could see it. At the very least, it would spread the risk of a deal busting slightly, from the O's point of view.

Now that's an interesting thought. I never thought Bruce was on the table, so I agree there is no question he is off it now. And it does make sense that having Quiroz relieves the pain of losing Cueto somewhat.

Eh, it's time to go forget about the Orioles for a couple of days (hours) (minutes) (seconds). Have a good holiday everyone.

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First off let me say, as a Reds fan I have really enjoyed lurking the last couple of days in your forums, very nice place you all have here. WWW.REDSZONE.COM is our equivelent.

As for the Hamilton trade, the Reds fan viewpoint is that this now ends the need for the Reds to make a trade for Bedard.

That's fine with me. I don't think the Orioles should trade Bedard for anything less than top talent. We've got him for two more years. Ride it out if you have to. I rather he walk after two season than trade him now for average prospects.

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I'll repost some info. on the Rangers:

They have a lot of talent in their system, but it is a bit further off...

Eric Hurley

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/playe...c-Hurley.shtml

Chris Davis

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/playe...-Davis-4.shtml

Taylor Teagarden

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/playe...eagarden.shtml

German Duran

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/playe...an-Duran.shtml

Omar Poveda/Kasey Kiker

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/playe...r-Poveda.shtml

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/playe...ey-Kiker.shtml

They also have Elvis Andrus, Zach Phillips (SP), and John Whittleman (3b) to deal from.

The Rangers have a ton of depth in which to deal from and 4 or 5 of the players from above could certainly beat out teams that can offer more than 1 or 2 top MLB-ready talent but are refusing to do so.

I was of the thinking that AM was looking for a couple of young, inexpensive ML ready players and a prospect or two which Texas doesn't have. Anything can happen I guess.

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That's fine with me. I don't think the Orioles should trade Bedard for anything less than top talent. We've got him for two more years. Ride it out if you have to. I rather he walk after two season than trade him now for average prospects.

Bailey/Cueto and Votto are not average prospects and neither are Jones and Clement. Both of those deals are or were apparently on the table. It's MacPhail who wants more and if he keeps being stubborn, he'll wind up with nothing and have to trade Bedard for less at the deadline. It will be Tejada all over again...

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I was of the thinking that AM was looking for a couple of young, inexpensive ML ready players and a prospect or two which Texas doesn't have. Anything can happen I guess.

Well if you add Hamilton to a deal, you have 1 inexpensive, ML ready player. Hurley pitched in AAA last year. Davis and Teagarden got time in AA and performed extremely well. Duran spent last year in AA. And they do have some guys that are in the majors that could be included in a trade as well (like Salty).

Also, it looks like the links I posted aren't working. They are reposted below.

Hurley

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/H/Eric-Hurley.shtml

Davis

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/D/Chris-Davis-4.shtml

Teagarden

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/T/Taylor-Teagarden.shtml

Duran

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/D/German-Duran.shtml

Poveda/Kiker

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/P/Omar-Poveda.shtml

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/K/Kasey-Kiker.shtml

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Bailey/Cueto and Votto are not average prospects and neither are Jones and Clement. Both of those deals are or were apparently on the table. It's MacPhail who wants more and if he keeps being stubborn, he'll wind up with nothing and have to trade Bedard for less at the deadline. It will be Tejada all over again...

I'd be a happy camper with Bailey Cueto and Votto. If we can swing it, do it. Cincy Wayne made a statement to the O's when he made this trade. Check or checkmate to you AM.

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It's amazing the highs and lows we've been through in just the last few weeks.

First the Bedard trade with the Dodgers that fell through. Then the Roberts trade looked complete but turned out not to be... yet. And now it looks like a trade with the Reds is dead, after it looked as if Bruce *might've* been placed on the table yesterday.

I really don't know what to expect anymore. Considering the Reds are no longer an option, the Mariners will probably take Jones off the table now.

I swear, this town is cursed. No doubt about it.

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It's amazing the highs and lows we've been through in just the last few weeks.

First the Bedard trade with the Dodgers that fell through. Then the Roberts trade looked complete but turned out not to be... yet. And now it looks like a trade with the Reds is dead, after it looked as if Bruce *might've* been placed on the table yesterday.

I really don't know what to expect anymore. Considering the Reds are no longer an option, the Mariners will probably take Jones off the table now.

I swear, this town is cursed. No doubt about it.

It's an example of MacPhail being too greedy. It's Miguel Tejada all over again. Bedard is going to be worse than last season or hurt and we either trade him for less or watch him walk. You know it's going to happen. That's what you get for waiting... :rolleyes:

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