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I'm not upset we didn't re-sign Saunders. We have the following starters - Hammel, Chen, Gonzo, Tillman, Matusz, Arrieta, Britton, Bundy, Gausman, like Jair, Johnson.

Saunders would have been an expensive bridge to Bundy and Gausman.

Yes, we have plenty of names who can be candidates for the starting rotation, but with the possible exception of Jurrjens, who isn't even signed yet, we don't have anyone who has multiple years of established success at the big league level.

At the end of last year, the O's rotation included Hammel, Chen, Gonzalez and Tillman. If one or two of them have even the slightest regression this year, this team will have a hard time making the playoffs again. They barely made it last season, when everything seemingly had to go just right.

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Everyone stop freaking out. Saunders was not a dealbreaker. The guy is a average to below average pitcher that gives up a TON of home runs. He just happened to pitch well in the short time we had him. Would I have been upset if we signed him cheap? No. But I'm sort of relieved.

It seems everyone thinks it's now Britton or Jurrjens for the 5th spot only....everyone is COMPLETELY writing off our others options: Matusz, Arrieta, Steve Johnson...DD also signed minor league contracts/rule 5 guys with guys that could work like Piniero, McCutchen, and McFarland....not to mention we have two of the top pitching prospects in the game in Bundy and Gausman. I'm sure they'll find a way....just like they did last year. If they have to mix and match for a couple months, it won't kill us.

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So let me get this straight, we are in win now mode but we are "hoping" our back end of the rotation works out instead of getting a close to sure thing with Saunders? He wasn't great but he is more proven then our guys.

This is a move a rebuilding team makes, not a move a team trying to get to the playoffs make. Especially since it was only a one year move, there is no risk.

Everyone here praises DD for signing guys like Valencia/ Canzler/ Jair but is okay with letting guys like Saunders go....am I in crazyville here?

Who says they are in "win now mode"? They are in "Win while still trying to build for the future while having budget constraints" mode. Not the same thing at ll.

I wonder who offered him the 2 year 15 million dollar deal that he turned down? Must have been a team that had a losing record.

Bet you it was the Twins.

I stand by my assertion that the O's didn't want him back anymore then they wanted Reynolds back. The money was just an excuse.

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I stand by my assertion that the O's didn't want him back anymore then they wanted Reynolds back. The money was just an excuse.

I think that's probably right. Neither guy got a deal that we shouldn't have been able to top if we wanted the player. Both guys wanted to be in BAL. It seems likely we wanted to go another direction.

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Who says they are in "win now mode"? They are in "Win while still trying to build for the future while having budget constraints" mode. Not the same thing at ll.

Didnt DD state that they are in win now mode? We have guys entering their peak years such as Wieters/ Jones/ Markakis and they went to the playoffs last year, the next logical step is to get to the next level of the playoffs right? Isnt that how other playoff teams acted like Detroit, Oakland, Washington, and Atlanta for example?

And just to be clear, I am not heart broken we didnt re-sign Saunders, I am just kind of puzzled as to what direction we are heading in?

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I guess Nate used up all our free agency money. I guess this is perfect evidence that Angelos was full of BS when he said he would spend money to make the team better. I just wish they would have come out and said they have no money to do anything and just let us stop paying attention to the free agents this offseason. Just like at the trade deadline they couldn't make a deal because they couldn't take on 4 million in salary.

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Okay by me. Didn't want him last year. He did well for us. Thanks, Joe.

It's not fun to watch the team "do nothing" but I really haven't seen a FA deal I liked for the Orioles. I've also seen several I would have hated and in previous years we kept signing washed up players who had a negative impact. I trust DD/BS to pass on any trade offer that's not in the best interest of the org. If there wasn't a good transaction out there than so be it. Keep building from within. We have a ton of pitching options, I'm very high on Schoop and Flaherty, and the core of the team is still young.

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I'm wondering about DD's statements about Reynolds and Saunders. He seemed to talk them up and say they want to bring them back, but judging by their comments and their contracts, DD clearly wasn't interested. Maybe he was just trying to prevent a mutiny from the fans, who grew very attached to the miracle team, by saying he wanted them back. Most of those fans won't bother to do any digging to see whether those statements match up. The fans that can read between the lines probably aren't that disappointed in losing either guy.

Well if he didn't want them he could have signed someone else.

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Didnt DD state that they are in win now mode? We have guys entering their peak years such as Wieters/ Jones/ Markakis and they went to the playoffs last year, the next logical step is to get to the next level of the playoffs right? Isnt that how other playoff teams acted like Detroit, Oakland, Washington, and Atlanta for example?

And just to be clear, I am not heart broken we didnt re-sign Saunders, I am just kind of puzzled as to what direction we are heading in?

Win now mode to me is what is going on in: Detroit, LA, LA and Toronto.

A team in win now mode does not steadfastly refuse to trade their top prospects.

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Win now mode to me is what is going on in: Detroit, LA, LA and Toronto.

A team in win now mode does not steadfastly refuse to trade their top prospects.

Agreed, so that is why I am confused as to our direction. We have guys who are at or near their prime, yet we are acting like a rebuilding team...if we are truly concerned about building a good future team then why havent we traded guys like Jim Johnson or JJ Hardy?

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I guess Nate used up all our free agency money. I guess this is perfect evidence that Angelos was full of BS when he said he would spend money to make the team better. I just wish they would have come out and said they have no money to do anything and just let us stop paying attention to the free agents this offseason. Just like at the trade deadline they couldn't make a deal because they couldn't take on 4 million in salary.

Who says he hasn't spent money to make the team better? There are other areas to spend money on (that cost a lot money) besides FA - like international scouting, the farm, front office, etc.

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I guess Nate used up all our free agency money. I guess this is perfect evidence that Angelos was full of BS when he said he would spend money to make the team better. I just wish they would have come out and said they have no money to do anything and just let us stop paying attention to the free agents this offseason. Just like at the trade deadline they couldn't make a deal because they couldn't take on 4 million in salary.

He did. DD said many times that the quality players will come from the O's minors. People just don't want to listen to that.

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Win now mode to me is what is going on in: Detroit, LA, LA and Toronto.

A team in win now mode does not steadfastly refuse to trade their top prospects.

Who was available that was worth trading Bundy for? Upton? I could see a Bundy for Upton straight up but Arizona was looking for more than that and I don't think Upton is worth completely depleting the farm. Toronto did that and got an AS SS, and 3 potential AS starters for their rotation.

The only player available right now worth making drastic changes to our farm is Stanton. I would easily trade Bundy, Schoop and a few others for Stanton.

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I would have liked to have Saunders back. I like strength in numbers, and I like the cushion that Saunders provides if someone gets hurt, or doesn't perform up to expectations.

That said, we do have a bunch of decent options for the #5 spot, I just wish it would have been someone a little more proven, since we do still have a bunch of guys in the rotation who could go either way.

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Who says they are in "win now mode"? They are in "Win while still trying to build for the future while having budget constraints" mode. Not the same thing at ll.

Bet you it was the Twins.

I stand by my assertion that the O's didn't want him back anymore then they wanted Reynolds back. The money was just an excuse.

Buck and DD are in win now mode. That will be more apparent during ST. However, its win now on a budget.

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