Espn reports Selig now unhappy with PED penalties. Wants to imediately increase penalties.

[DrungoHazewood]

Screw the union and what they will/won't allow. If I tested positive for illegal or banned substances on my job, my employer wouldn't have a second thought about terminating my employment and escorting me to the parking lot.

Do you generate $millions in annual revenues for your company? Do you have a dozen or more companies rabidly bidding against one another to sign you to long contracts? Most of us don't have anything like the bargaining power of an elite athlete.

[Gurgi]

Why not give it to charity?

Because we want the Union to go for it. They want the players to have more money. Well this does that. It takes from cheats and gives to hoped for clean atheletes. The money stays the same to the ballplayers. Just the cheats give theirs away..................get it? It has a certain cleverness I think.

[Crazysilver03]

Because we want the Union to go for it. They want the players to have more money. Well this does that. It takes from cheats and gives to hoped for clean atheletes. The money stays the same to the ballplayers. Just the cheats give theirs away..................get it? It has a certain cleverness I think.

Ok, so lets say Adam Jones gets suspended, and his money goes to the other 24 players. But then two weeks later, Markakis is suspended, but not after already getting the share from Jones. How do just take care of that situation?

[Gurgi]

Ok, so lets say Adam Jones gets suspended, and his money goes to the other 24 players. But then two weeks later, Markakis is suspended, but not after already getting the share from Jones. How do just take care of that situation?

Not just the team. The leagues players get shares. You could keep it to guys getting less than a million bucks. It fixes certain problems. Mainly the Union cant scream about the money, the money stays with the players. Just the hoped for good guys.

[russ snyder]

Because we want the Union to go for it. They want the players to have more money. Well this does that. It takes from cheats and gives to hoped for clean atheletes. The money stays the same to the ballplayers. Just the cheats give theirs away..................get it? It has a certain cleverness I think.

I seriously doubt if the union would stand for such a plan. Of course they want their members to make more money, however, not at the expense of its other members. I don't see the union budging on the current penalty structure. ( Nor do I think they should.) I think Selig needs to let this season play out with the expanded HGH testing. Further, MLB needs to be beyond reproach in their handling of samples to prevent another Ryan Braun debacle. Finally, I think that it's a bit much to penalize the teams of the offending players. After all, they are losing the services of the player for an extended period of time.

[Crazysilver03]

Not just the team. The leagues players get shares. You could keep it to guys getting less than a million bucks. It fixes certain problems. Mainly the Union cant scream about the money, the money stays with the players. Just the hoped for good guys.

You can't give the money to some and not to all. The union would not go for that.

[TonySoprano]

I want the teams to be on the hook for the contract. Even on alifetime ban. Equity.

AKA the "ARod Rule"

[Spy Fox]

So let's say Brandon Fahey is busted for 'roids, and is in the middle of a 5/50 deal.

So let's say Brandon Fahey is busted for 'roids, and is in the middle of a 5/50 deal.

So let's say Brandon Fahey is busted for 'roids, and is in the middle of a 5/50 deal.

So let's say Brandon Fahey is busted for 'roids, and is in the middle of a 5/50 deal.

:laughlol::laughlol:

[byrdz]

I say just step it up a notch incrementally until you start seeing real change. Something like a season ban for the first go around and of course that's a loss in salary as well. Three seasons on the second go around then a lifetime ban for the third offense. This way if you're young and make a hair-brain mistake, as young people do quite often, you don't pay with the rest of your career.

[DrungoHazewood]

I say just step it up a notch incrementally until you start seeing real change.

Isn't that what they already did? They bumped up the penalties, bumped up the testing, started testing for HGH, a few years ago league-wide offensive levels fell to pre-1993 rates, the percentage of old guys having strangely productive seasons dropped, and the number of folks failing drug tests was and remains fairly low.

I think it's kind of strange that now is the time a lot of people are calling for draconian, over-the-top penalties for what I have to think is a a much lower rate of PED use than we've seen in many generations.

[CA-ORIOLE]

While overall usage is undoubtedly down, I would guess there are concerns that a certain number of players are going to go to extreme levels to beat the system with the newest technology and medical information. As such, they could always be one step ahead of the system in place to catch them. In that regard I understand the issue of making penalties more severe.