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I certainly do acknowledge when something is a small sample size, I do not, however, act like it never occurred at all. His 2006 season is part of his overall resume.

Hardy has had three seasons with an OPS+ of 81 or below, by the age of 29. Belanger at his best was better then Hardy at his worst. It would be foolish to just assume that Hardy will be a positive on offense as he continues to age.

That's right. And it would be foolish not to consider a return for him if one becomes available and we're out if it. He has value as a defender and that won't be diminished as quickly as will his offense. If we're out of contention it's an option that should and probably will be explored.

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I myself did state, in this thread, that I expect a slight rebound from him on offense.

I do think that the increased use of shifts is going to hurt his BA if he doesn't adapt.

And I don't know how well he'll do with that. He a dead pull hitter.

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I certainly do acknowledge when something is a small sample size, I do not, however, act like it never occurred at all. His 2006 season is part of his overall resume.

Hardy has had three seasons with an OPS+ of 81 or below, by the age of 29. Belanger at his best was better then Hardy at his worst. It would be foolish to just assume that Hardy will be a positive on offense as he continues to age.

Nobody is assuming that Hardy will be a positive on offense as he ages. The Belanger analogy is poor and distracts from the point you are trying to make.

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Nobody is assuming that Hardy will be a positive on offense as he ages. The Belanger analogy is poor and distracts from the point you are trying to make.

The Belanger analogy was in direct response to someone predicting a 210 BA next season. In the context of the thread I took that to be a near total offensive collapse. When you decided to call me on the comment I decided to show that Belanger's best years were in fact comparable to Hardy's down years. I took pains to show that was as far as I was taking the comparison.

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Last year wasn't even close to his best year of his career.

I don't think you are paying proper attention. The argument was if he was hitting .210 by June. That would be lower then last year. If his offensive numbers were lower then last season's then a comparison to Belanger would not be unreasonable.

In no way did I say that Hardy's average offensive season was comparable to Belanger's.

Folks do seem to want to overestimate Hardy's offensive ability, I think because of his power. A career OPS+ of 96 isn't exactly impressive.

Lower ERA than the year before, marginal difference in WAR from the previous year, best WHIP of his career, all in his first full season as closer. It's semantics between 2011 and 2012, but a case can absolutely be made it was the best year of his career, and I believe it was, because he's unlikely to do that again as a closer.

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Lower ERA than the year before, marginal difference in WAR from the previous year, best WHIP of his career, all in his first full season as closer. It's semantics between 2011 and 2012, but a case can absolutely be made it was the best year of his career, and I believe it was, because he's unlikely to do that again as a closer.

Sorry I thought you meant Hardy. You are correct that last year was pretty close to what he did in 2011.

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Sorry I thought you meant Hardy. You are correct that last year was pretty close to what he did in 2011.

No biggie. I was using Johnson as an analogy of what a bad spring training looks like several months later. It happens all the time. Just the same as some of these guys have great spring trainings but you know they won't hit like that once they hit 60 games, or 100, let alone 162.

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At his absolute worst, Hardy is a top notch defensive shortstop. There were years in the past in which a reliable glove at short was a revelation (see: Cesar Izturis). On top of that, he provides 15+ HR production on an annual basis from a high-value position.

Hardy is a streaky hitter. It isn't prudent to make decisions based off of this start. Hopefully he will be able to settle into a role lower down in the order and not be asked to do as much.

I think it is interesting that his best year offensively as an Oriole came the year after he was traded from the Twins. According to multiple reports, Gardenhire told Hardy to focus on hitting to RF, thus zapping his HR power to left. Perhaps there was still some remnants of that mentality present in his play in 2011. It's conjecture, but food for thought, nonetheless.

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A SS who will be one of the top 5 defenders in the game and give me 20+ HR a year? What's not to like? I'll take that from my #9 hitter.

It seems like some people want to ship Hardy out for any half decent offer. Its silly, because if Hardy's range does ever start to drop, then you switch Hardy to 3B, with Manny moving over.

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Nobody has suggested giving Hardy away and I think I've read every response so far to my post. He is our most tradeable everyday player that can be replaced. Maybe not a gold glove replacement but very good replacement. Don't forget JJ is slow and doesn't get to some balls a speedier player would. His throws are almost automatic to first which is another plus factor in his favor. We need a right handed power bat. Reimold could be that guy. Could be......but will he stay in the lineup long enough to help us? We need a hitter or two that can hit Tampa pitching. How we do against them this year will play a major role in where we finish in the standings. I haven't checked the stats. How does Willingham do against the Rays?

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I'm curious who the O's will plug at SS the next time Hardy goes on the DL. From what I've read the O's dont view Manny as a SS anymore. 3B only.

Easy, Flaherty or Casilla.

As for Manny not being a SS anymore... I'm hearing things along those same lines but I think it's a little foolish to count it as gospel yet. They haven't announced anything definite.

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