Profar for Bundy, would you do it?

[LookinUp]

As others have mentioned, the Rangers might have other plans for Profar (trade, 2B?). However, let's assume for a second that Bundy comes back and lights up Bowie for a few weeks before the deadline (e.g., regains prospect status). What would the Orioles need to consider before trading Bundy?

1. Current need #1 - sure appears 2B is a current need. By July, maybe we're comfortable with Schoop or Roberts back at 2B. Buck sure seems to think Roberts will contribute this year.

2. Current need #2 - bullpen innings and lack of power depth at starter could both become issues this year. The O's currently have many options to fill these needs (Johnson, Jurrjens, Wada, Garcia, Arrieta, Britton and Gausman). It's possible we'd want to add Bundy to this mix, particularly if O'Day, Strop and/or Johnson get arm fatigue, etc.

3. Future depth - DD is a master at building pitching depth. He'll know what we plan for 2014 and beyond better than anyone. Are ERod, Hader, Berry and others capable of filling in behind Gausman? What do we make of Tillman, Hammel, Chen and Gonzalez? Are any/all of them long for the Orioles?

4. Our assessment of Bundy - prospect rankings aside, the O's know Bundy better than anyone not named Bundy. He's a hard worker, but does his body/arm have too much stress on it? He's determined, but is he coachable at all? When healthy, he has great stuff, but can he locate consistently? If DD's probability assessments are lower than industry's, he's more willing to make this type of deal. If not, he'll be hard pressed to make this type of deal.

5. Our assessment of Profar - speed, defense up the middle and OBP. That's a great combination. Does he have the power or hit tool to turn into a star? The prospect rankings sure seem to think so, but I have to wonder if they're over-rating his positional value or are we truly looking at a Jose Reyes type of talent, theoretically w/o the injuries and with a little bit better defense.

In the end, I think it's much easier to envision guys like Arrieta, Britton, Strop and lower level prospects fetching us a 2B like Kendrick than it is a massive prospect-prospect trade for Profar. However, if we did that, it sure would be exciting. A future infield of Davis, Schoop, Machado and Profar would be tremendous and mostly cost-controlled for a long time.

[Mayor McCheese]

No thanks. I rather hold on to Bundy and Gausman.

Rangers want either Price of Stanton (which most likely they will not get)

[Stotle]

Profar is the top prospect in baseball. The Rangers aren't trading him for another prospect, let alone one with a currently damaged arm.

[isestrex]

No thanks. I rather hold on to Bundy and Gausman.

Rangers want either Price of Stanton (which most likely they will not get)

I think they have a very real chance at getting Stanton.

[waroriole]

I could understand people not wanting to trade the #3 prospect for the #1 prospect if Bundy weren't injured, even though Bundy is a pitcher and Profar a MI. But, it's pretty ludicrous for the vote to be what it is when Bundy is having elbow problems.

[weams]

I could understand people not wanting to trade the #3 prospect for the #1 prospect if Bundy weren't injured, even though Bundy is a pitcher and Profar a MI. But, it's pretty ludicrous for the vote to be what it is when Bundy is having elbow problems.

Yeah. And no way would I trade Gausman. Especially with Bundy uncertain. And it's still not time that he can be. Though I guess you could bubble wrap him for a few weeks at this point.

My vote is actually based on the idea that this is not even a viable trade of any kind. Not with the injury as it is.

[weams]

Profar is the top prospect in baseball. The Rangers aren't trading him for another prospect, let alone one with a currently damaged arm.

I should have read what you posted first. You said it better.

[waroriole]

Yeah. And no way would I trade Gausman. Especially with Bundy uncertain. And it's still not time that he can be. Though I guess you could bubble wrap him for a few weeks at this point.

My vote is actually based on the idea that this is not even a viable trade of any kind. Not with the injury as it is.

That I can understand, it would be an incredibly stupid trade for TEX. I can also understand not trading Gausman for Profar. I don't think I would make that trade either, especially with Bundy's uncertainty.

[orioles942]

Profar would make an unbelievable defensive and offensive INF. The Orioles would do this in an instant. The Rangers would laugh. If you add Profar, then your search for a 2b man is over. Then draft 2 pitchers (college guys) in this years draft. Hate drafting HS pitchers they rarely pan out. Rangers need pitching losing Harrison, Feldman and Lewis and Wilson the year prior. Howie Kedrick would be a good option as well, the Angels are going to blow it up soon or even Aybar and move him over.

[BobDylanBundy]

It's worth considering that the MRI's on Bundy showed nothing. Both doctors completed their exams and found nothing. This is not an injury per-say, he's getting rest for precautionary reasons. If he had not spoken up, he could still be pitching today. You want pitchers to speak up when something doesn't feel right, that's how you take the appropriate measures to help them avoid injury. People should be concerned about injuries, not injury prevention.

As far as Profar is concerned, he's shown advanced abilities at a very young age but I think he's getting dramatically overhyped when people label him the best prospect in baseball. I can see the similarities that justify a Jose Reyes comp, but Reyes's greatest strength was leading the league with 60-80 steals. I don't see Profar having anywhere near that level of base stealing ability. Even if you do see him becoming the same caliber player, do you give up a top of the rotation starter for Reyes? A player who can OPS in the low-to-mid .800's with top defense at a premium position is rare and extremely valuable - but affordable top starting pitching is the #1 commodity in baseball. Regardless of whether the Rangers would agree to it, Bundy for Profar would be a setback for the Orioles.

[skanar]

Just thought it would interesting to note that the #1 prospect in baseball is hitting .250 with a .720 OPS in the hitter friendly PCL. Not exactly tearing it up.

His BB and K rates are both slightly elevated over his MiL career. He's dropped about .030 BABIP points and .050 ISO, which is essentially the entire change in his OPS. Neither number is remotely stable over 150 PAs. I don't think anyone is worried about him.

[weams]

Are they both injured?

[Stotle]

His BB and K rates are both slightly elevated over his MiL career. He's dropped about .030 BABIP points and .050 ISO, which is essentially the entire change in his OPS. Neither number is remotely stable over 150 PAs. I don't think anyone is worried about him.

He also went through almost an entire major league spring training with multiple scouts and front office folks saying he was taking among the best at bats they've seen in camp on any team. I can guarantee there are no concerns whatsoever. I saw him three times in Arizona and he looked not only ready to hit in the majors, but ready to be a useful piece right away. This opinion was easily a majority opinion.