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Is Wieters a disappointment?

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I was hoping against hope for some actual analysis - as in, what he does defensively and with handling pitchers makes up for it. Or... pointless quips are fine, too.

Do a search for this same thread from 2012, 2011, or 2010. I may have provided my opinion then. It hasn't changed.

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I was hoping against hope for some actual analysis - as in, what he does defensively and with handling pitchers makes up for it. Or... pointless quips are fine, too.

Ehh, I'm fine with Wieters tangible skills as a defensive catcher, but he "handles pitchers and calls a great game" is a pretty pointless quip imo.

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I agree with you for the most part Oldfan. But what he's doing from the left side of the plate this year, I dunno. Chris Hoiles broke out in his age 27 year and posted a career 833 OPS.

I love, love, love me some Wieters - but I don't know how much of that is his likability and intangibles, and how much is his performance. THe point being - will be be worth a mega-contract if his offense stays where it is?

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Eh, no reason for the snark. It's been discussed before, but not recently.

Just always amazes me how funny a game baseball is. Wieters was billed as a great bat with average defense. Instead, he has been the exact opposite.

I tend to think the "game-calling" aspect is overblown, but that's just me.

EDIT - Wow, posted almost the exact thing as CA-Oriole. Complete with the "eh" to start.

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I was hoping against hope for some actual analysis - as in, what he does defensively and with handling pitchers makes up for it. Or... pointless quips are fine, too.

Disappointment doesn't have much to do with facts... it has more to do with subjective expectations.

If you expected Matt Wieters to be the greatest catcher the world has ever seen, disappointment is an apt word. If you expected him to be one of the best catchers in baseball and an anchor for a pitching staff that 25 other clubs would kill to have, then "disappointment" is petty and ignorant.

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In terms of our expectations? Absolutely.

In terms of what we paid for him and the value he has returned for that payment, what the average #5 pick in the draft contributes in value/WAR/what-have-you compared to what he has in value/WAR/what-have-you? Absolutely not.

But look, in terms of expectations, it's an open and shut case, IMO. If you came on here 5 years ago and said Matt Wieters was going to be a .750 OPS guy and among the top 3 catchers defensively in the game, I think 95% of the people on here would've said that's disappointing.

Of course, fans' expectations are not exactly the best gauge of reality (!); in reality we've gotten a pretty good deal out of the thing.

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Do a search for this same thread from 2012, 2011, or 2010. I may have provided my opinion then. It hasn't changed.

Ha - point taken. But why should I assume your opinion hasn't shifted with time? In other words, for me I would not say I'm disappointed yet, per se. If he continues at this pace offensively, I would probably be disappointed - and not throw a crazy-big contract at him like I would if he got that OPS up over 800 or so.

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