vs. Rays 5/19

[SteveA]

Instead of your "explanations," I'd appreciate it if you'd point me to the rule that states as much. Believe me, if someone could show it to me, I'd shut up about it.

OK, I hope you keep your promise:

Rule 2.00

16

A FAIR BALL is a batted ball that settles on fair ground between home and first

base, or between home and third base, or that is on or over fair territory when bounding to

the outfield past first or third base, or that touche

s first, second or third base, or that first falls

on fair territory on or beyond first base or third base, or that, while on or over fair territory

touches the person of an umpire or player, or

that, while over fair territory, passes out of the

playing field in flight.

A fair fly shall be judged according to the relative position of the ball and the foul

line, including the foul pole, and not as to whether

the fielder is on fair or foul territory at the

time he touches the ball.

Rule 2.00 (Fair Ball) Comment: If a fly ball lands in the infield between home and first base, or

home and third base, and then bounces to foul territory without touching a player or umpire and before

passing first or third base, it is a foul ball; or if the ball settles on foul territory or is touched by a player

on foul territory, it is a foul ball. If a fly ball lands on or beyond first or third base and then bounces to

foul territory, it is a fair hit.

Clubs, increasingly, are erecting tall foul poles at the fence line with a wire netting extending along

the side of the pole on fair territory above the fence to enable the umpires more accurately to judge fair

and foul balls.

FAIR TERRITORY is that part of the playing field within, and including the first

base and third base lines, from home base to the bottom of the playing field fence and

perpendicularly upwards. All foul lines are in fair territory.

[jjnono]

You're making too much out of this. If it hits the pole it's a fair ball.

A FAIR BALL is a batted ball that settles on fair ground between home and first base, or between home and third base, or that is on or over fair territory when bounding to the outfield past first or third base, or that touches first, second or third base, or that first falls on fair territory on or beyond first base or third base, or that, while on or over fair ter- ritory touches the person of an umpire or player, or that, while over fair territory, passes out of the playing field in flight.

A fair fly shall be judged according to the relative position of the ball and the foul line, including the foul pole, and not as to whether the fielder is on fair or foul territory at the time he touches the ball.

Rule 2.00 (Fair Ball) Comment: If a fly ball lands in the infield between home and first base, or home and third base, and then bounces to foul territory without touching a player or umpire and before passing first or third base, it is a foul ball; or if the ball settles on foul territory or is touched by a player on foul territory, it is a foul ball. If a fly ball lands on or beyond first or third base and then bounces to foul territory, it is a fair hit.

14

Rule 2.00

Clubs, increasingly, are erecting tall foul poles at the fence line with a wire netting extending along the side of the pole on fair territory above the fence to enable the umpires more accurately to judge fair and foul balls.

FAIR TERRITORY is that part of the playing field within, and including the first base and third base lines, from home base to the bottom of the playing field fence and per- pendicularly upwards. All foul lines are in fair territory.

CA-ORIOLE is dead on. The foul pole was invented to help umpires determine if the ball leaves the field or crosses over the fence while technically still in fair territory. Anything that hits the foul pole on the fly has technically crossed the wall while being at least partially in play, and therefore a fair ball. It's right there in the rules. Read 'em. No foul pole would ever be conceived to be even partially foul....

And I was pitching in a HS games back in the 80's and had a kid smash a line-drive up the middle with the bases loaded that barely missed me, hit the rubber and shot into our dugout for a foul ball, which the umpire correctly ruled (I must admit I did not know that rule at the time). He flied out on the next pitch and we got out of the inning unscathed. Crazy stuff does happen in this game...

[MemorialStadKid]

Have some neg reps Richard!

You. Knew. Crap!

Uhm.

Yea.

Be upset with me. After all, I'm the owner and GM. LOL

MSK

[SteveA]

Instead of your "explanations," I'd appreciate it if you'd point me to the rule that states as much. Believe me, if someone could show it to me, I'd shut up about it.

And I'll also point this out. Now, it doesn't SPECIFICALLY apply to today's sitaution, since the ball hit a non-yellow surface. As I noted in my other post, the Orioles clearly have a problem on the field... either that part of the pole should also be painted yellow, or there should be a green padded extension to the wall (with yellow paint along side the right side of it) extending the wall up to where the yellow ends on teh foul pole.

But all foul poles are painted yellow. So this pretty much proves that you are wrong:

Universal Ground Rules

The Commissioner's Office has issued the following Universal Ground Rules for use in all Major League ballparks this season. Ground Rules pertaining to individual parks are posted separately in those parks. U.S. Cellular Field, Kauffman Stadium and Yankee Stadium currently do not have ground rules other than the Universal Ground Rules listed below.

Ball on the top step (lip) of the dugout is in play.

No equipment is permitted to be left on the top step (lip) of the dugout. If a ball hits equipment left on the top step it is dead.

A player is not permitted to step or go into a dugout to make a catch.

A player is permitted to reach into a dugout to make a catch. If a player makes a catch outside the dugout and the player's momentum carries him into the dugout, then the catch is allowed and the ball remains alive as long as the player does not fall while in the dugout. See Rule 6.05(a).

A batted ball in flight can be caught between or under railings and around screens.

A catch may be made on the field tarp.

Batted or thrown ball lodging in the rotating signage behind home plate or along first base or third base stands is out of play.

Batted or thrown ball resting on the rotating signage behind home plate or along first base or third base stands is in play.

The facings of railings surrounding the dugout and photographers areas are in play.

Any cameras or microphones permanently attached on railings are treated as part of the railings and are in play.

Any recessed railings or poles that are in the dugout and photographers areas are out of play and should be marked with red to mark them out of play.

Robotic cameras attached to the facing of the backstop screen are considered part of the screen.

A batted ball striking the backstop camera is considered a dead ball.

A thrown ball striking the backstop camera is considered in play.

A ball striking the guy wires that support the backstop is a dead ball.

A ball lodging behind or under canvas on field tarp is out of play.

A ball striking the field tarp and rebounding onto the playing field is in play.

No chairs can be brought out of the dugout or bullpen and onto the playing field.

All yellow lines are in play.

[scOtt]

Uhm.

Yea.

Be upset with me. After all, I'm the owner and GM. LOL

MSK

So Pete cost us this game today!

:bennyhillpatpatpatonthehead:

[tntoriole]

Instead of your "explanations," I'd appreciate it if you'd point me to the rule that states as much. Believe me, if someone could show it to me, I'd shut up about it.

I doubt that, but, in addition to all the other rules already cited by other posters, you have umpire rule 9.01 c which states that any umpire has the authority to rule on ANY point not covered in the rules and 9.02a that it is their final judgement as to fair or foul. This point IS covered in the rules.

[MemorialStadKid]

So Pete cost us this game today!

:bennyhillpatpatpatonthehead:

Not directly.

The standing pat offseason is a major factor in today's loss and the sweep and the other games we lost recently.

You don't see the connection?

:slytf:

MSK

[Crazysilver03]

I do. But we have Freddy "BP" Garcia pitching and are facing CC, who we can never hit off of.

We have hit Sabathia quite a few times.

[Crazysilver03]

Not directly.

The standing pat offseason is a major factor in today's loss and the sweep and the other games we lost recently.

You don't see the connection?

:slytf:

MSK

Injuries to Chen and Gonzo had more to do with the losses. But don't let reality stand in your way.

[MemorialStadKid]

Injuries to Chen and Gonzo had more to do with the losses. But don't let reality stand in your way.

The lack of real pitching depth and a bizarre expectation of repeat pitching performances from 2012 had more to do with the losses.

This has already been discussed all over the place. Enjoy your version of reality sir.

MSK