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When I saw Kevin Gausman pitch in Bowie on April 28th against Harrisburg, the stats should have indicated he was pretty close to the major leagues. Afterall, he allowed just one run on five hits, walked none and struck out eight in seven and two-third innings. But despite the dominant numbers, I saw a two-pitch pitcher who still made too many mistakes in the middle of the plate, mistakes that were mainly missed by the inexperienced Double-A hitters.

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Very thorough analysis, and it jibes with what I saw in person last night. Gausman's got plenty of talent, but he's just not ready yet. It was a mistake to bring him up this soon, and I hope they send him back to the minors shortly. I'm not worried about Gausman's psyche or that he'll somehow be ruined by this, but he is not ready to help us.

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When I saw Kevin Gausman pitch in Bowie on April 28th against Harrisburg, the stats should have indicated he was pretty close to the major leagues. Afterall, he allowed just one run on five hits, walked none and struck out eight in seven and two-third innings. But despite the dominant numbers, I saw a two-pitch pitcher who still made too many mistakes in the middle of the plate, mistakes that were mainly missed by the inexperienced Double-A hitters.

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Tony, would you leave him up in Baltimore or send him back down? I read some

want him to stay with the O's. But can a pitcher learn if be keeps getting shelled

each game he pitches? I believe he needs to go back down.

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When I saw Kevin Gausman pitch in Bowie on April 28th against Harrisburg, the stats should have indicated he was pretty close to the major leagues. Afterall, he allowed just one run on five hits, walked none and struck out eight in seven and two-third innings. But despite the dominant numbers, I saw a two-pitch pitcher who still made too many mistakes in the middle of the plate, mistakes that were mainly missed by the inexperienced Double-A hitters.

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I agree Tony and I think the Oriuoles are making a big mistake by leting him pitch agaist one of the best lineups in the league (Detroit).

Why not Steve Johnson, Matusz or Hunter....nothing good can come out of hime getting knocked around again.

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Gausman's main problem was location, more specifically leaving pitches, mostly fastballs, up in the zone. Are we so sure he's incapable of staying down in the zone more consistently? Detroit will be tough but I look for a bounce back start from Gausman. The kid seems unfazed and sounds like he knows what he needs to do. I think he has the ability to keep the ball down.

I think you are wrong, but I hope you are right. Crossing my fingers...

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Great write-up. I think it's becoming clear that Gausman has a great FB-change combo, but the slider at this point is more of a token 3rd pitch.

His relatively high number of hits shows his tendency to groove fastballs when he gets behind in the count. At 95-97 mph, he got away with it (for the most part) in AA, but not so much playing with the big boys.

It's a tough call because there's nobody who is showing the ability to solidify the 5th rotation slot within the system, but I think what's best for Gaus at this point is to take a couple more months refining his breaking pitch and FB location, and we'll see you in August/September big guy.

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When I saw Kevin Gausman pitch in Bowie on April 28th against Harrisburg, the stats should have indicated he was pretty close to the major leagues. Afterall, he allowed just one run on five hits, walked none and struck out eight in seven and two-third innings. But despite the dominant numbers, I saw a two-pitch pitcher who still made too many mistakes in the middle of the plate, mistakes that were mainly missed by the inexperienced Double-A hitters.

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http://www.orioleshangout.com/blog/tonys-take/538/gausmans-time-will-come-but-its-not-now

Tony, Nice analysis. Thanks. So why are the O's going to start Gausman against the Tigers? Sounds like a bad idea.

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And those guys wouldn't get knocked around?

They may buit they deserve a chance to start, they have done very well in the BP and know how to get MLB pitchers out. SJ was 3-0 with a 2.86 ERA last year in 4 games started.

Gausman know what he needs to work on and he should be doing that in the minors not getting Knocked around up in the Majors. It doesn't do the team or Gausman any good to keep him here for anther start

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Tony, Nice analysis. Thanks. So why are the O's going to start Gausman against the Tigers? Sounds like a bad idea.

They've already exhausted all of their options, and DD and Buck seem set on making him a major league pitcher now. He's pretty much learned all he can against AA batters... his pure stuff is too good for that level of competition. And Buck and DD don't seem to like having top prospects in AAA. So that leaves the majors as the only way to really improve him. Facing the best batters in the world is the best way to learn how to pitch, since you can't make mistakes. It'll refine his ptiching style better than AA will.

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He's facing challenges right now. I that ballpark in Norfolk against AAA hitters, he won't be punished for his mistakes.

Why would you want him punished here? The orioles are trying to contend and throwing someone out there that is clearly not ready isn't going to help

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Maybe our development guys don't know much about developing pitchers. They kept saying all you need is a fastball and change-up to succeed in the bigs. Well it looks like they are wrong. The guys is obviously a long way away from being a starter in the bigs. Let him spend the next year in the minors and we can make a re-assessment this time next year.

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They've already exhausted all of their options, and DD and Buck seem set on making him a major league pitcher now. He's pretty much learned all he can against AA batters... his pure stuff is too good for that level of competition. And Buck and DD don't seem to like having top prospects in AAA. So that leaves the majors as the only way to really improve him. Facing the best batters in the world is the best way to learn how to pitch, since you can't make mistakes. It'll refine his ptiching style better than AA will.

His numbers weren't superstar numbers in AA. Look at guys like Verlander and Price in AA and then get back to me. Shoot his numbers don't even compare to Matusz and Arrieta's numbers in AA. AAA is a higher level of hitter. Don't kid yourself. He should probably get to the point of domination in AA and then move up to AAA. The team didn't sign any pitchers during the off-season and now Gausman is being rushed to the majors way before he should be.

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Isn't a 12-15 mph difference between his fastball and change too much???

It seems that ML hitters would be able to pick up that much difference even if his arm speed is identical.

I think he needs something in the 88-90 mph range (cutter??) to get some weak contact with.

I'm really frustrated with the string of top 5 picks that gets to the majors... and I ask myself where is the electric stuff. I can't remember so many 95+ mph fastballs hit so hard by so many marginal hitters (Bernadino) as I've seen with Gausman's first two starts.

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