Weaver Ejected, I mean Buck Ejected

[The Wedge]

I agree with most of what you are saying, but disagree with the bolded. He did call foul and kilkled the play. The ball is dead by rule -- that part of it is not judgment. Right or wrong on the judgment call, the ball is dead once called foul. That can be protested, since the crew unbelievable allowed a dead ball to become live. All four umps should be seriously reprimanded. I can't believe that not one of them said to the others during their conference, "Guys, it doesn't matter if Angel got the call wrong. The play is dead once he called it foul. We need to move on."

Unfortunately fair/foul (or in this case, foul/swing through) falls under what they consider an umpires judgment call.

[weams]

Unfortunately fair/foul (or in this case, foul/swing through) falls under what they consider an umpires judgment call.

But the stoppage of a play is not a judgement. Once it is stopped, it's stopped. Angel was wrong, his judgement was wrong. And they know that Buck caught them and is trying to take them down. Angel is on double secret probation anyway. For your theory to be right, a random fan has to be selected to throw the ball away from Arencibia while Davis races down the first base line, to "recreate" the stopped action.

[The Wedge]

But the stoppage of a play is not a judgement. Angel was wrong, his judgement was wrong. And they know that Buck caught them and is trying to take them down. Angel is on double secret probation anyway.

That, I agree with. But I guess what I was saying is that it becomes murky enough at that point that a protest would just have been thrown out out of convenience, I think.

There does need to be a culling of the ranks. I shudder to think how many good umps working Triple A crews are stuck because some of these turds have some seriously undeserved job security.

[Can_of_corn]

That, I agree with. But I guess what I was saying is that it becomes murky enough at that point that a protest would just have been thrown out out of convenience, I think.

There does need to be a culling of the ranks. I shudder to think how many good umps working Triple A crews are stuck because some of these turds have some seriously undeserved job security.

They shouldn't have taken any of them back after the mass resignation.

[weams]

They shouldn't have taken any of them back after the mass resignation.

Eric Gregg was the bartender at the Vet in his later years.

[LA2]

Buck caught them in a big screwup, but they're not man enough to take it and fix it. Like a lot judges I know: show them wrong, they'll get you next time.

Yeah, I can't imagine that particular crew of umps not eventually screwing Buck over for ejecting *them* from the game. No way they weren't going to "teach him a lesson" about that, unfortunately. I still can't get over the Bautista home run derby at-bat, after calling Machado out on an obvious ball. Manny's long-held facial expression was priceless (even that had a seasoned veteran's look to it!).

[Can_of_corn]

Eric Gregg was the bartender at the Vet in his later years.

Nice to see he stayed in baseball.

[weams]

Yeah, I can't imagine that particular crew of umps not eventually screwing Buck over for ejecting *them* from the game. No way they weren't going to "teach him a lesson" about that, unfortunately. I still can't get over the Bautista home run derby at-bat, after calling Machado out on an obvious ball. Manny's long-held facial expression was priceless (even that had a seasoned veteran's look to it!).

The whole crew is going to be punished again. And they know it.

[LA2]

The whole crew is going to be punished again. And they know it.

Cool--they deserve it!

Unfortunately, the damage to the O's W/L record is permanent....

[Number5]

Unfortunately fair/foul (or in this case, foul/swing through) falls under what they consider an umpires judgment call.

Yes, his original call is a judgment call, but the rule that once a ball is called foul and is made dead is not a judgment call -- it is an absolute. The Orioles' beef is not with the judgment call -- it is with the obvious incorrect reversal which made a dead ball live.