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Can_of_corn Hangout Grand Counsel

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DD doesn't trade of TOR starters. He develops them. Tillman, Gausman....... That is why I say don't think you know what the O's will be in 3 months. There could be as much improvement in those guys as there has been in Davis and Manny.

So Pedro Martinez was developed?

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El Gordo Hangout Grand Counsel

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DD doesn't trade of TOR starters. He develops them. Tillman, Gausman....... That is why I say don't think you know what the O's will be in 3 months. There could be as much improvement in those guys as there has been in Davis and Manny.
Tillman is not a TOR nor will he become one. Gausman might, but not this year or next, IMO. That leaves Bundy, who won't be even a consideration for the rotation until 2015. For me a TOR SP is 200 IP, 200 K's and a 3.00 ERA or better. We will not develop one of those in the next 5 years.
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Tillman is not a TOR nor will he become one. Gausman might, but not this year or next, IMO. That leaves Bundy, who won't be even a consideration for the rotation until 2015. For me a TOR SP is 200 IP, 200 K's and a 3.00 ERA or better. We will not develop one of those in the next 5 years.

How could you have any idea about that? A true ace could be drafted next year and in the majors by later that year.

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Tillman is not a TOR nor will he become one. Gausman might, but not this year or next, IMO. That leaves Bundy, who won't be even a consideration for the rotation until 2015. For me a TOR SP is 200 IP, 200 K's and a 3.00 ERA or better. We will not develop one of those in the next 5 years.

Tillman is on pace for being darn close to all 3 things you mentioned. Given his age and this being his first full season of breaking camp with the team, who's to say he doesn't become an ace? Other than your opinion, that is.

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I think we need that additional (non-Strop) right-handed arm in the pen, whether it be Gausman or Hammel. I, personally, would rather see Britton sent down to Norfolk to continue starting and be ready to step right in when the next, inevitable, injury happens to one of our other starters, instead of being sent to pitch out of the bullpen.

I just have the feeling that Gausman could be a bigger help to the club, this year, working out of the pen then Britton would be. At the same time, I feel that Britton will be a bigger help to the club, this year, working as a starter.

If the O's made the surprising decision (surprising in my estimation anyway) to keep Britton in the rotation, move Hammel to the bullpen and Gausman to AAA as rotational depth, I guess I'd be okay with that. But again, I'd just probably feel more comfortable keeping Hammel in the rotation for now, Gausman in the pen, and Britton at the ready in Norfolk.

Hopefully, DD can pull off a trade for an additional right-handed relief arm and we can put Gausman back down at Norfolk and starting regularly so that he too can be ready as a starter, or reliever, if needed.

You know, I can totally envision Gausman being a potential shut-down reliever in this post-season.

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Joe Saunders has made 17 starts this year. In 7 of those 17 starts he has allowed 4 runs or more. In 9 of those starts he has allowed 3 ER or less. As a matter of fact, in 6 starts he has allowed 1 earned run, in 2 starts he has allowed 0 earned runs. Could he have made us better? Maybe ever so slightly, because Freddy Garcia made 11 starts for us, and in those 11 starts he allowed 2 earned runs or fewer in 6 of 11 starts. He got absolutely shelled in 4 of 11. And that 1 remaining starts was so-so (4 earned runs in 6 innings).

Long story short, Freddy Garcia was our Joe Saunders type. He was a fall back plan, and basically this club banking on Arrieta, Britton, Jurrjens, etc. to do well bit them in the butt when Chen got hurt. Either way, with Chen coming back, Britton pitching better, and Duquette making the necessary moves to help the bullpen (Strop gone) and the rotation (Feldman)...our rotation will get much better. Saunders is a fringey kind of player for the O's. Keep in mind he's pitching in a very pitcher friendly park. His home/away splits are ridiculous:

Home: 4.37 ERA, 244/283/489 - 771 OPS (that OPS really isn't that good, but anyways...)

AWay: 8.50 ERA, 359/400/654 - 1.054 OPS

Problem with the away is that he's only started 4 games away. And if you by his last 28 days, he's pitched to an 8.59 ERA. That's abysmal. Do you really want that on this club? I don't. This isn't last year...as evidenced by Hammel's poor numbers.

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Tillman is not a TOR nor will he become one. Gausman might, but not this year or next, IMO. That leaves Bundy, who won't be even a consideration for the rotation until 2015. For me a TOR SP is 200 IP, 200 K's and a 3.00 ERA or better. We will not develop one of those in the next 5 years.

Why so certain? Tillman certainly has TOR stuff and he's right at the TOR's front door. If Tillman throws less pitches and reduce the hr's, he's arrived. The hr's seems to be a strange quirk considering the low era, so that should go down naturally. But we agree on the IP needs to improve, and it should. It's not like Tillman has been a major league starter for a long time.

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Why so certain? Tillman certainly has TOR stuff and he's right at the TOR's front door. If Tillman throws less pitches and reduce the hr's, he's arrived. The hr's seems to be a strange quirk considering the low era, so that should go down naturally. But we agree on the IP needs to improve, and it should. It's not like Tillman has been a major league starter for a long time.

Tillman is a fly ball guy. He will give up some home runs, the key is to make sure they are solo shots.

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Going back to the second half last year, Tillman is 19-5 with a low 3's ERA. Those are pretty credible TOR numbers. He has some issues but it is certainly conceivable that he can be an elite starter.
Not by my criteria. 200 IP, 200 K's 3.00 ERA or under. That's not Tillman. Don't kid yourself.
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