Proposal: Hammel and Britton for Joe Saunders

[wildcard]

This is not a trade I want to make; but if Hammel does not pitch better between now and the trade deadline DD may have to make a trade like this.

Money wise Hammel and Saunders are a wash. The incentive to make the trade for Seattle is to get Britton. And it doesn't have to be Britton. It could be any young player that the O's and Mariners can agree on.

Joe Saunders has pitched well in June and so far in July. The O's know Joe and what he can do. He is similar to Feldman as a back of the rotation starter. He is probably better than the 5.00 something ERA that Hammel has been performing at.

Saunder signed a one year contract with Seattle for 6.5M with a mutual option for 2014. So there is a chance Saunder stays another year if the O's want him to or not.

I don't like giving up young talent for a rental and that is what his would be. But the O's can't let the playoffs slide away because Hammel can not find his control. This is just an option that DD may have in his back pocket that might be considered.

[WarehouseChatter]

I would be shocked if it took this much to land Saunders. I wouldn't give up Britton in this deal although I do think Britton will be gone by 8/1 (or at least 9/1 via waivers). He is out of options meaning the Orioles lose him next year if he's not on their 25 man roster.

[wildcard]

I would be shocked if it took this much to land Saunders. I wouldn't give up Britton in this deal although I do think Britton will be gone by 8/1 (or at least 9/1 via waivers). He is out of options meaning the Orioles lose him next year if he's not on their 25 man roster.

True but McFarland will have three options next year and Britton could take his place in the pen if Britton can't win a rotation spot. Like I said, this proposal could include any young player the O's and M's can agree on. But there does have to be a reason more than a salary dump of Joe's salary to make the trade.

[Roll Tide]

True but McFarland will have three options next year and Britton could take his place in the pen if Britton can't win a rotation spot. Like I said, this proposal could include any young player the O's and M's can agree on. But there does have to be a reason more than a salary dump of Joe's salary to make the trade.

Guys like Britton will never succeed without a chance to pitch regularly. I'm think Britton should get 10 starts in the regular rotation to see if he can stick. I say no to Saunders but Id be happy to move Hammel if we can.

[Aristotelian]

Guys like Britton will never succeed without a chance to pitch regularly. I'm think Britton should get 10 starts in the regular rotation to see if he can stick. I say no to Saunders but Id be happy to move Hammel if we can.

I would not do this. Saunders is barely an upgrade over Hammel right now, and Britton has upside as a possible #3 or solid #4 starting pitcher. Not worth it for half a year of Saunders. If we are going to upgrade our staff, we need to go all in for a guy who is a clear upgrade, like Garza, Cliff Lee, or maybe Gallardo.

[Hank Scorpio]

I'm going with "no."

I wouldn't trade Britton for Saunders straight up.

[isestrex]

I'm going with "no."

I wouldn't trade Britton for Saunders straight up.

Um yeah... I'm trying to see why this isn't the universal reaction to this thread.

Are you thinking straight, wildcard?

[waroriole]

I'm going with "no."

I wouldn't trade Britton for Saunders straight up.

Seriously. This is a freaking terrible idea. We basically change names and get the same result, but we lose Britton.

[wildcard]

Um yeah... I'm trying to see why this isn't the universal reaction to this thread.

Are you thinking straight, wildcard?

Did you read the OP? I said it didn't have to be Britton. It could be any young player the O's can agree on. Mike Wright? It just has to be some one in addition to Hammel that the Mariners want.

And I wouldn't make a trade at all if Hammel pitches well but he has to do better than what he has been doing.

[DrungoHazewood]

Did you read the OP? I said it didn't have to be Britton. It could be any young player the O's can agree on. Mike Wright? It just has to be some one in addition to Hammel that the Mariners want.

And I wouldn't make a trade at all if Hammel pitches well but he has to do better than what he has been doing.

What did DD trade for Saunders last year? That should be the upper bound of what should be offered for him this year. No real prospects, nobody who'd leave a gap on the current team.

[wildcard]

I would not do this. Saunders is barely an upgrade over Hammel right now, and Britton has upside as a possible #3 or solid #4 starting pitcher. Not worth it for half a year of Saunders. If we are going to upgrade our staff, we need to go all in for a guy who is a clear upgrade, like Garza, Cliff Lee, or maybe Gallardo.

To get the kind of pitcher he want the O's would have to give up someone like Gausman. I don't see that happening.

[wildcard]

What did DD trade for Saunders last year? That should be the upper bound of what should be offered for him this year. No real prospects, nobody who'd leave a gap on the current team.

The O's traded someone of close to equal salary which Hammel is. And they traded someone with an option year for 2013. That major league reliever was Lindstrom who had a 2.72 ERA at the time of the trade.

[DrungoHazewood]

To get the kind of pitcher he want the O's would have to give up someone like Gausman. I don't see that happening.

Depends on contract, and how badly the other team wants to be out from under it. But also on Angelos' appetite for said contract. I certaintly agree Gausman for someone like Garza is an awful idea.

[Tx Oriole]

This is not a trade I want to make; but if Hammel does not pitch better between now and the trade deadline DD may have to make a trade like this.

Money wise Hammel and Saunders are a wash. The incentive to make the trade for Seattle is to get Britton. And it doesn't have to be Britton. It could be any young player that the O's and Mariners can agree on.

Joe Saunders has pitched well in June and so far in July. The O's know Joe and what he can do. He is similar to Feldman as a back of the rotation starter. He is probably better than the 5.00 something ERA that Hammel has been performing at.

Saunder signed a one year contract with Seattle for 6.5M with a mutual option for 2014. So there is a chance Saunder stays another year if the O's want him to or not.

I don't like giving up young talent for a rental and that is what his would be. But the O's can't let the playoffs slide away because Hammel can not find his control. This is just an option that DD may have in his back pocket that might be considered.

Are you drinking something stronger than coffee? I don't want anything to do with

Saunders on this team. Hammel is not pitching well but move him to the BP. IMO

[wildcard]

Are you drinking something stronger than coffee? I don't want anything to do with

Saunders on this team. Hammel is not pitching well but move him to the BP. IMO

And if you move him to the pen who takes his place in the rotation? The O's would need a starter.