Orioles Want Pie Added

[roncey10]

Here's a blog from the CST from a few days ago that describes the deal of Gallagher, Marshall and Cedeno for Roberts as a steal for the Cubbies.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/fullcourtpress/2008/01/chicago_baseball_rumor_mill.html

So clearly there are perspectives from even the Cubs camp that acknowledge this is not a good deal for the O's.

It is a steal for the Cubs because Marshall stinks, Cedeno is not in their plans, and although Gallagher might be one of the Cubs top five prospects, their system is not that deep with Major League ready teams.

The O's are rebuilding, but if this is the best they can do, they should retain Roberts and let the market improve for him. A team needing a spark or with a hole at 2B in the spring or even June/July will put a better deal on the table.

[33rdst]

It is a steal for the Cubs because Marshall stinks, Cedeno is not in their plans, and although Gallagher might be one of the Cubs top five prospects, their system is not that deep with Major League ready teams.

The O's are rebuilding, but if this is the best they can do, they should retain Roberts and let the market improve for him. A team needing a spark or with a hole at 2B in the spring or even June/July will put a better deal on the table.

I agree, but it then becomes imperative that we trade Bedard. Not dealing at least one of them for top prospects would set our rebuilding plan back years.

[Roll Tide]

We should deal then both!

I dont like Pie.

I would give them a choice if I were AM

Gallagher, Colvin, Marshall & Cedeno (If I were the O's I'd turn around & deal Marshall or drop him for Patterson)

or

Gallagher, Colvin, Murton

[clapdiddy]

We should deal then both!

I dont like Pie.

I would give them a choice if I were AM

Gallagher, Colvin, Marshall & Cedeno

or

Gallagher, Colvin, Murton

I like this deal the best. To me, the best player we are getting from the Cubs is Gallagher. We need the starting pitching depth.

Colvin will be nice if we can use him as a sweetener if we are trying to land Jones AND Clement plus others from Seattle. Maybe a deal of Bedard/Colvin could get us back a Jones, Clement, Tillman, and Chen type deal. I don't know why, but I don't see Seattle trading Triunfel at this point.

[Attack Poodle]

Hi guys,I'm a Cubs fan and I would rather not have Pie in any deals with any teams,Colvin on the other hand,I'd be all for trading in a heartbeat.

I'd also be for adding Fuld in a deal for Roberts.

[RobertsIsMyHero]

Hi guys,I'm a Cubs fan and I would rather not have Pie in any deals with any teams,Colvin on the other hand,I'd be all for trading in a heartbeat.

I'd also be for adding Fuld in a deal for Roberts.

I don't think the cubs should give up on Tyler Colvin this quickly...Colvin has had one season in the sysytem where he faired OK, but take a look at what he did in his senior year in college, posting a .359 BA, give him some time. Pie on the other hand, i am through saying "1 more year"...his offense is SLOWLY developing and he lacks pllate discipline, while i understand Colvin does too, i think Tyler has more upside than Pie...

[Sports Guy]

Hi guys,I'm a Cubs fan and I would rather not have Pie in any deals with any teams,Colvin on the other hand,I'd be all for trading in a heartbeat.

I'd also be for adding Fuld in a deal for Roberts.

I would be looking to move Colvin if I were the Cubs...he is going to be a bust IMO.

[redwhitenblue]

I don't think the cubs should give up on Tyler Colvin this quickly...Colvin has had one season in the sysytem where he faired OK, but take a look at what he did in his senior year in college, posting a .359 BA, give him some time. Pie on the other hand, i am through saying "1 more year"...his offense is SLOWLY developing and he lacks pllate discipline, while i understand Colvin does too, i think Tyler has more upside than Pie...

You're being quite a hypocrit on these two

Same age, Pie is better offensively, better defensively, and has better plate discipline than Colvin

You may think Colvin attains his upside and you may think Pie doesn't, but Colvin does not have more upside than Pie

[RobertsIsMyHero]

You're being quite a hypocrit on these two

Same age, Pie is better offensively, better defensively, and has better plate discipline than Colvin

You may think Colvin attains his upside and you may think Pie doesn't, but Colvin does not have more upside than Pie

it's just an opinion, no need to jump on me...and how am i being a hypocrite?I think ive been on the side of Tyler Colvin the whole time this matter has been up in the air?

[redwhitenblue]

it's just an opinion, no need to jump on me...and how am i being a hypocrite?I think ive been on the side of Tyler Colvin the whole time this matter has been up in the air?

Saying Pie lacks plate discipline as a negative thing-when his is better than Colvin

Pie's shown more power (SLG-wise, not HR) as Colvin

Pie is superior defensively

There is really nothing outside of a bias that says Colvin will be better, and nothing that says he has more upside...it could be your opinion, but I could say Sam Fuld has more upside than both-that doesn't mean it's true

Opinion's aren't immunity to being told you're wrong

[RobertsIsMyHero]

Saying Pie lacks plate discipline as a negative thing-when his is better than Colvin

Pie's shown more power (SLG-wise, not HR) as Colvin

Pie is superior defensively

There is really nothing outside of a bias that says Colvin will be better, and nothing that says he has more upside...it could be your opinion, but I could say Sam Fuld has more upside than both-that doesn't mean it's true

Opinion's aren't immunity to being told you're wrong

Im not looking for it to be animmunity to myself being wrong, im saying that no one here at OH actually knows who is going to turn out the better player, im stating my opinion in the fact that i like Colvin more, big deal. And the fact that Pie is superior defensively is understood, i have never once brought defense into the discussion, i understand this. But still Colvin has 1 season that you are judging him on. He has had about 190 games to adjust to the pitching. By this year he should have made the correct adjustments. in Colvin's almost 200 game minor league career he has slugged .486, while Pie's

minor league career SLG is .469. And their are other facts besides bias that show Colvin will catch up with and pass Pie offensively. His average increased every year in college while he got accustomed to the game...in '06

Colvin had an OPS of 1.028 in 69 games, a full college season, all im saying is if you give Colvin time to develop, he will become a solid player.

Heres the links:

Pie: http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=11427

Colvin: http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/C/tyler-colvin.shtml

[redwhitenblue]

Im not looking for it to be animmunity to myself being wrong, im saying that no one here at OH actually knows who is going to turn out the better player, im stating my opinion in the fact that i like Colvin more, big deal. And the fact that Pie is superior defensively is understood, i have never once brought defense into the discussion, i understand this. But still Colvin has 1 season that you are judging him on. He has had about 190 games to adjust to the pitching. By this year he should have made the correct adjustments. in Colvin's almost 200 game minor league career he has slugged .486, while Pie's

minor league career SLG is .469. And their are other facts besides bias that show Colvin will catch up with and pass Pie offensively. His average increased every year in college while he got accustomed to the game...in '06

Colvin had an OPS of 1.028 in 69 games, a full college season, all im saying is if you give Colvin time to develop, he will become a solid player.

Heres the links:

Pie: http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=11427

Colvin: http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/C/tyler-colvin.shtml

You're comparing Pie's .469 SLG% from when he was 17-22 combined to Colvin's SLG at only ages 21-22

Compare their ages similarly

And while Colvin was putting up a 1.028 OPS in college ball, Pie was putting up a .903 OPS in AA-which is more impressive

I've said before, I'm willing to give Colvin a year, but he has to severely develop some patience or he needs to be ditched before everyone else realizes just how overrated he is

[RobertsIsMyHero]

You're comparing Pie's .469 SLG% from when he was 17-22 combined to Colvin's SLG at only ages 21-22

Compare their ages similarly

And while Colvin was putting up a 1.028 OPS in college ball, Pie was putting up a .903 OPS in AA-which is more impressive

I've said before, I'm willing to give Colvin a year, but he has to severely develop some patience or he needs to be ditched before everyone else realizes just how overrated he is

Ok, i say we agree to disagree because i don think that either of us are willing to budge!