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Adam Jones voted 2d best defensive outfielder in the AL by AL Managers


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You can certainly make a case that Jones would be a better "outfielder" than a "centerfielder". As a centerfielder he is pretty average to below average compared to other centerfielders. He is having a comparatively good year (slightly above average) according to DRS this year and I've been pretty pleased with his play after the first couple of months.

http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showthread.php/134984-Adam-Jones-has-a-plus-DRS-rating?highlight=jones

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The pocket protector gang is going to have a field day with this one.

The evidence is pretty overwhelming that Jones is nowhere near the the second best best defensive CF in the league (in a relatively good year), so it's not really worth it. But it is interesting to reflect on the cows people on here had when Jeter was similarly rated.

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The evidence is pretty overwhelming that Jones is nowhere near the the second best best defensive CF in the league (in a relatively good year), so it's not really worth it. But it is interesting to reflect on the cows people on here had when Jeter was similarly rated.

I still take the numbers with a grain of salt.

I don't really believe that fielders field enough chances and that the information about degree-of-difficulty on individual plays is good enough for us to really have a great sense. That said, I don't think he's a top-2 or top-5 defensive outfielder.

Keep in mind that the fielding metrics aren't kind to Trout this year either.

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I still take the numbers with a grain of salt.

I don't really believe that fielders field enough chances and that the information about degree-of-difficulty on individual plays is good enough for us to really have a great sense. That said, I don't think he's a top-2 or top-5 defensive outfielder.

Keep in mind that the fielding metrics aren't kind to Trout this year either.

I'd say we have enough year to year data on Jones to conclude that he's been been at least a slightly below average CF and that's what I see. Put him in RF then it's a different story. Trout in CF is another issue.

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And I'm sure The Flat Earth Society is having a field day, shouting huzzahs whilst doing doughnuts in their Model Ts.

Now now let's not start a holy war here. Just kidding.

At the end of the day I suppose we should just take it for what it is, a nice compliment and take the little bit of pride associated with it.

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Managers don't get to be managers by making statistically accurate estimates of players' defensive performance.

No, they don't.

But I'll say this: They sure as hell do get to be managers by making accurate evaluations of players, part of which is defensive ability.

And statistics might not be able to accurately evaluate defense. It's possible.

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No, they don't.

But I'll say this: They sure as hell do get to be managers by making accurate evaluations of players, part of which is defensive ability.

And statistics might not be able to accurately evaluate defense. It's possible.

Agreed on the last point. Not certain about the "accurate evaluations" about players, I think it's more about building relationships with those involved in MLB when it comes to becoming a manager than it is about anything else. And I don't think that's a bad thing - the job is about managing people as much as it's about anything else.

But evaluating players? That's for scouts, algorithms, and GMs.

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