Season Awards (MVP, Cy Young, ROY, GG, SS)

[luismatos4prez]

I never said "his team is going to the playoffs".

You certainly implied it when your first argument was that the Angels were winning less games than the Tigers.

In fact, Trout has been less valuable on defense this season then Cabrera has. Cabrera is by far a superior hitter. Trout has a lot of his offensive WAR tied up in steals and baserunning, I suspect.

If you're going to use WAR as an argument then let's break it down from Fangraphs:

Trout's Batting Runs: 46.4

Cabrera's Batting Runs: 60.5

Trout's FLD+POS Runs: 1.7

Cabrera's FLD+POS Runs: -9.0

Trout's Baserunning Runs: 6.6

Cabrera's Baserunning Runs: 0.2

Trout's Replacement Level Runs: 15.2

Cabrera's Replacement Level Runs: 14.0 (He missed 7 games earlier in the year)

Trout's Runs Above Replacement Level: 72.3 (7.8 WAR)

Cabrera's Runs Above Replacement Level 67.7 (7.2 WAR)

Now Baseball Reference:

Trout's Batting Runs: 52

Cabrera's Batting Runs: 58

Trout's FLD+POS Runs: -12

Cabrera's FLD+POS Runs: -8

Trout's Baserunning Runs: 6

Cabrera's Baserunning Runs: 1

Trout's RL Runs: 18

Cabrera's RL Runs: 16

Trout's Total Runs Above Replacement Level: 63 (6.4 WAR)

Cabrera's Total Runs Above Replacement Level: 65 (6.6 WAR)

So if you take BBR's judgement that Trout has gone from an outstanding fielder to a terrible one, then you have Cabrera with a slight overall edge. I don't buy that kind of volatility though. If you take FG's judgement that he's gone from an outstanding fielder to a good but not great one, then Trout has the edge.

And I'm not going to counter-argue your last sentence since you made that argument up.

[SeaBird]

I'll go with:

AL MVP: Trout

NL MVP: McCutchen

AL Cy: Scherzer

NL Cy: Kershaw

AL ROY: Myers

NL ROY: Fernandez

Gold Glove awards are meaningless to me. How could Palmeiro earn one in 1999 when he only played 28 games at first base while he DH'd in 128 games? Because he made only 1 error? I don't think the voting managers give the process much thought or take it seriously.

Why not have a "Cleanest Locker" award while we're at it?

[luismatos4prez]

Gold Glove awards are meaningless to me. How could Palmeiro earn one in 1999 when he only played 28 games at first base while he DH'd in 128 games? Because he made only 1 error? I don't think the voting managers give the process much thought or take it seriously.

Why not have a "Cleanest Locker" award while we're at it?

You're right, of course. But it's still fun to talk about who the best this or that is in the game.

The MVP has been butchered far more than the Gold Glove Awards, in my opinion. At least the Gold Glove Awards are still technically for fielding. The MVP voters don't even pretend to take into account anything other than hitting. If they did, Cabrera wouldn't have gotten a single vote last year.

[Malike]

You certainly implied it when your first argument was that the Angels were winning less games than the Tigers.

If you're going to use WAR as an argument then let's break it down from Fangraphs:

Trout's Batting Runs: 46.4

Cabrera's Batting Runs: 60.5

Trout's FLD+POS Runs: 1.7

Cabrera's FLD+POS Runs: -9.0

Trout's Baserunning Runs: 6.6

Cabrera's Baserunning Runs: 0.2

Trout's Replacement Level Runs: 15.2

Cabrera's Replacement Level Runs: 14.0 (He missed 7 games earlier in the year)

Trout's Runs Above Replacement Level: 72.3 (7.8 WAR)

Cabrera's Runs Above Replacement Level 67.7 (7.2 WAR)

Now Baseball Reference:

Trout's Batting Runs: 52

Cabrera's Batting Runs: 58

Trout's FLD+POS Runs: -12

Cabrera's FLD+POS Runs: -8

Trout's Baserunning Runs: 6

Cabrera's Baserunning Runs: 1

Trout's RL Runs: 18

Cabrera's RL Runs: 16

Trout's Total Runs Above Replacement Level: 63 (6.4 WAR)

Cabrera's Total Runs Above Replacement Level: 65 (6.6 WAR)

So if you take BBR's judgement that Trout has gone from an outstanding fielder to a terrible one, then you have Cabrera with a slight overall edge. I don't buy that kind of volatility though. If you take FG's judgement that he's gone from an outstanding fielder to a good but not great one, then Trout has the edge.

And I'm not going to counter-argue your last sentence since you made that argument up.

Ah, I use BB-REF, and I don't flip flop back and forth to whichever one supports my argument. I said in my last sentence "I suspect", meaning it's my opinion. Look, you think you're some clever baseball hipster stat nerd because you signed up for a membership to SABR, whatever. Joe the Mechanic joined SABR, and Joe can't even count to 15 without taking his shoes off. You haven't contributed a single thing to the SABR community, so don't get all smug spewing out some other people's work.

I'll maintain that Cabrera is the MVP, he will likely win the triple crown for the second straight year, and he's the most valuable player in the game. Cheers.

BB-REF says that Trout is sub replacement level on defense, I use BB-REF.

[luismatos4prez]

Ah, I use BB-REF, and I don't flip flop back and forth to whichever one supports my argument. I said in my last sentence "I suspect", meaning it's my opinion. Look, you think you're some clever baseball hipster stat nerd because you signed up for a membership to SABR, whatever. Joe the Mechanic joined SABR, and Joe can't even count to 15 without taking his shoes off. You haven't contributed a single thing to the SABR community, so don't get all smug spewing out some other people's work.

I'll maintain that Cabrera is the MVP, he will likely win the triple crown for the second straight year, and he's the most valuable player in the game. Cheers.

BB-REF says that Trout is sub replacement level on defense, I use BB-REF.

I don't know what your problem is, but I'm done here. I didn't bring up WAR. When it was brought up, I cited the stats that were being discussed. You clearly can't manage a difference of opinion without getting personal.

[luismatos4prez]

Ah, I use BB-REF, and I don't flip flop back and forth to whichever one supports my argument. I said in my last sentence "I suspect", meaning it's my opinion. Look, you think you're some clever baseball hipster stat nerd because you signed up for a membership to SABR, whatever. Joe the Mechanic joined SABR, and Joe can't even count to 15 without taking his shoes off. You haven't contributed a single thing to the SABR community, so don't get all smug spewing out some other people's work.

I'll maintain that Cabrera is the MVP, he will likely win the triple crown for the second straight year, and he's the most valuable player in the game. Cheers.

BB-REF says that Trout is sub replacement level on defense, I use BB-REF.

Ah, I use BB-REF, and I don't flip flop back and forth to whichever one supports my argument.

Trout: 9.2 rWAR

Cabrera: 7.2 rWAR

Thoughts?