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Here's a reality check: JJ isn't blowing many saves since May 26th. In addition to that ERA under 2 he's blown 3 saves in almost over 2 and a half months.

So you want to denigrate my "assumption", which is that the guys who likely would have replaced JJ- O'day and Hunter- would have pitched the same in the closer's role as out of it, which is worst than JJ has pitched to the last two months and a half, and what- doubly assume- that their performance would have increased in the closer's role?

Yes, JJ has blown some saves. And yes we're tantalizingly close to the last playoff spot.

But JJ, other than that rough stretch towards the end of May, has pitched much as he always has this season, which is very well. And- heaven forbid- he has also blown some saves like every other closer on Earth.

So we are up by 1 in the 9th of the wild card game against TB, are you putting JJ into close if K-Rod and Hunter are rested? I have always liked JJ but I don't have the confidence he can get it done in that 1 run situation.

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Pickles Hangout Grand Counsel

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Well, since we're dealing with FACTS, here's one for ya...The Orioles would have been in the AL Championship last year if not for two blown saves in the ALDS against our most hated rivals. FACT. Undeniable FACT!

You seem to be confused about what is a fact and what isn't a fact.

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Pickles Hangout Grand Counsel

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Wow, really? They are going to miss the playoffs even though their 43 year old closer still has over 30 saves? Okay. Good talk! :rolleyes:

What are you rambling about??

You said the Yankees go to the playoffs every year cause of Riveria.

I pointed out the fallacy in that.

So what are you sputtering and bloviating about?

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You seem to be confused about what is a fact and what isn't a fact.

You can't defend Johnson anymore. He is blowing saves at a huge rate. So what if he has converted all those saves you keep preaching? Any decent pitcher can do that given all of the opportunities Johnson has been given to save games.

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You can't defend Johnson anymore. He is blowing saves at a huge rate. So what if he has converted all those saves you keep preaching? Any decent pitcher can do that given all of the opportunities Johnson has been given to save games.

Since he blew those saves in Toronto he has an ERA UNDER 2.

FACT!

He's blown 4 saves in the 12 weeks since then!

Fact!

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But he literally called half of the team and has done it regularly despite being an elite offense. Newsflash Buck. Steroid era is over. You can't just score at will.

Adam Jones pretty much calls out the entire team after many losses and says we have to get better and start playing better ball and everyone says that shows his leadership. Buck says the offense has to be more consistant(pretty much what i see on here every game) and he is throwing half the team under the bus. So which is it Jones being a team leader and motivating players to play better or Buck throwing them under the bus it can't be both.

I will go with the idea it motivates the team. There is a huge difference between singling out one guy then the team or a group of the team.

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LOL Buck just said Jim Johnson is still closer all you can do is laugh at this point.

I'm not surprised. Loyalty is huge to Buck which is why he surrounds himself with coaches and players that are loyal to him. He'd rather go down in a sinking ship with his loyal closer than do what most of the other manager's would do and use the best available personnel for the role. You have to take the good with the bad with Buck and unfortunately, it's something we have to live with as fans of the team for some time because Buck has a nice long contract that will allow him to do things his way for a long time.

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Since he blew those saves in Toronto he has an ERA UNDER 2.

FACT!

He's blown 4 saves in the 12 weeks since then!

Fact!

The Orioles are two games behind in the Wild Card. Fact.

If Johnson blew just 2 of those 4 games, the Orioles would be tied for the Wild Card. Fact.

Having a conversation with you is boring. Fact!

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You can't defend Johnson anymore. He is blowing saves at a huge rate. So what if he has converted all those saves you keep preaching? Any decent pitcher can do that given all of the opportunities Johnson has been given to save games.

Actually he isn't blowing them at a huge rate. He blowing them at a slightly lower than average rate. The closers on the two teams ahead of us in the AL East are blowing saves at a higher rate than Jim Johnson. Fernando Rodney Sv% is 79% the two guys for Boston who have the most Save Opps have a SV rate of 71%. They have blown 8 saves in 28 attempts. Johnson's save rate is 83%. He has blown 8 saves in 47 attempts. So while he is blowing saves at a much higher rate than last year and I would categorize it at below average, it certainly isn't at a huge rate and to state that "any given pitcher" can do it is hyperbole at its finest.

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glenn__davis Hangout Grand Counsel

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Well, since we're dealing with FACTS, here's one for ya...The Orioles would have been in the AL Championship last year if not for two blown saves in the ALDS against our most hated rivals. FACT. Undeniable FACT!

This is incorrect. Johnson only had 1 blown save in the playoffs.

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