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I don't understand it. The blame is Jim Johnson. Yes, there were opportunities to score for the offense and mishaps by the bullpen. But we took a 1 run lead into the 9th. The closers job is to save that, He did not, the 9th team he has not. He lost it for us.

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I don't understand it. The blame is Jim Johnson. Yes, there were opportunities to score for the offense and mishaps by the bullpen. But we took a 1 run lead into the 9th. The closers job is to save that, He did not, the 9th team he has not. He lost it for us.

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A good deal of this blame should also go to Duke for not signing Uehara.

I love watching Koji pitch.

Leaving ST the O's had to dump a BP arm they had so many. There was no room for Koji and no money to pay him.

I will say, and I have been thinking about this for awhile, that the lack of strikeout pitchers in this bullpen coming out of ST was startling. Of course they didn't have any last year either so I guess they thought they didn't need em.

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I don't understand it. The blame is Jim Johnson. Yes, there were opportunities to score for the offense and mishaps by the bullpen. But we took a 1 run lead into the 9th. The closers job is to save that, He did not, the 9th team he has not. He lost it for us.

Buck's the guy putting a struggling reliever in a position to fail and destroy the team. This is on Buck, no one else.

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Showalter said he is proud of JJ with how he battled to get us back in the dugout....But I do understand why he won't throw anyone under the bus. As hard as it is, the manager can not throw any specific teammate under the bus. It sucks. But he can't.

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Showalter said he is proud of JJ with how he battled to get us back in the dugout....But I do understand why he won't throw anyone under the bus. As hard as it is, the manager can not throw any specific teammate under the bus. It sucks. But he can't.

I am just glad it is over and thier off tomorrow. Anyone know how many pitchers

the O's had to use today? It was a tough loss but won't give up on the team.

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Perhaps I could be wrong because we've never had a poor offense under Buck Showalter or a poor defense. Pitching has been generally poor although last year was decent.

I don't think he will EVER criticize a struggling group. The pitchers quite frankly suck this year. Buck makes excuses and chides the offense and defense.

If we were what 26th/27th in team runs scored and were putting up 2 runs regularly what would he do? Would he tell Gary the pitching needs to only surrender 1 run?

Us fans are not stupid Buck. We know 27th in ERA is bad. We know JJ is bombing right now. We know the standard is 3 runs. Good pitching can hold teams to 3 runs regularly. We get this. You aren't fooling anybody.

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Lincoln did oh about 5 times ;)

I don want to fire Buck but I see where he can wear he can wear out his welcome

Just a cliche.

Main point is the rough times are when you need strong leaders. It's fine if he's lost certain people at the OH but there is zero basis to think he's lost the clubhouse.

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Sorry I can't agree. Two run cushion should be enough for the bullpen to hold for three innings. I don't care if the lead is 14-12 or 2-0. The guys in the pen are, most nights, being asked to get three outs each, tops.

You're right. 2 run leads SHOULD be enough. Just like the offense should score more than 4 runs in 14 innings and should not put up zeros in 13 of those innings. Just like Tillman should be able to go more than 6 IP on a day where he only gives up 2 runs. Just like the offense should score more than 3 runs in 11 innings.

All these things should be the case. And one does not outweigh the others.

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