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Would it be dumb to trade Johnson this offseason? If for nothing more a salary dump.

No one is trading for JJ and his 7 to 9m a year.

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This is a ridiculous thread. The guy you should be angry at is named Jim Johnson.

The guy is defeated, not his fault. What needs to happen is Buck needs to come out and tell the media that JJ is a quality player, but at this point we need to look at other options until he gets back in the saddle.

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I love Showalter's POS non-answers, like people are too dumb to see through them. And of course the reporters are lapdogs

The reporters are all on MASN's payroll. Almost what would happen in a Dictatorship.

You want to be the one who crosses Angelos?

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Defintley not. Quite a few people, including me and Corn wanted to sell high on him this past offseason. Not sure how many dummies are left.

No reason to "dump" his salary anyway, just don't tender him a contract. You could even try and get him to come back on more team friendly terms if you were so inclined.

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The guy is defeated, not his fault. What needs to happen is Buck needs to come out and tell the media that JJ is a quality player, but at this point we need to look at other options until he gets back in the saddle.

No need for Buck to say anything --- just be a normal manager and use someone else for a time or two for crying out loud ! What a stubborn SOB

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No reason to "dump" his salary anyway, just don't tender him a contract. You could even try and get him to come back on more team friendly terms if you were so inclined.

Yeah, sure, but at that point he'll likely just become a FA and who knows what kind of idiot you'll be competing with.

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No reason to "dump" his salary anyway, just don't tender him a contract. You could even try and get him to come back on more team friendly terms if you were so inclined.

What is the process of not tendering a contract? I thought you were contractually obligated to pay once the player signed.

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I don't think Buck cares whether he gets fired or not. He is what he is, and he'll be that way whether the season is going well or not. He'd rather be loved by his players than his employers or fans. Sorry, but that's it. It's not going to change. Either the players improve or someone else trades and replaces them. But Buck is loyal, loyal, loyal. And yes, when teams under-perform, Buck's stubbornness often gets him fired. It might happen here, but it won't happen at the end of this year or the next. If we want things to change with Jim Johnson, we need to trade him so that Buck can't put him out there anymore. I honestly fear that Johnson is our closer for the rest of the season...

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I don't think Buck cares whether he gets fired or not. He is what he is, and he'll be that way whether the season is going well or not. He'd rather be loved by his players than his employers or fans. Sorry, but that's it. It's not going to change. Either the players improve or someone else trades and replaces them. But Buck is loyal, loyal, loyal. And yes, when teams under-perform, Buck's stubbornness often gets him fired. It might happen here, but it won't happen at the end of this year or the next. If we want things to change with Jim Johnson, we need to trade him so that Buck can't put him out there anymore. I honestly fear that Johnson is our closer for the rest of the season...

I agree with this to an extent and the question I keep coming up with is, how many blown saves does Buck tolerate? What if he blows 2 more, does he do something different? What if it is 8 more, then? I actually get how Buck is. I like to go to casinos. Lots of people there pulling that lucky slot one more time because they believe that it is a hot machine and sooner or later it's going to pay out. I think Buck thinks the odds are in his favor that JJ will win more than he will lose (and that will be enough to win the WC), essentially banking the season on that idea. Time will tell.

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This is a ridiculous thread. The guy you should be angry at is named Jim Johnson.

I'm not mad at JJ......he's clearly lost out there

I'm mad at the stubborn idiot who keeps sending him out with the game on the line only to watch him crack under the pressure.

Bucks stubbornness is what continually got him fired from other jobs and its going to cost us a playoff birth this season.

Bucks MO is to take over a team, lead them to the playoffs, refuse to make changes, the team then misses the playoff and regresses and then buck gets fired and said team wins the World Series.

Right now, we are right on schedule.

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