Example A of why you fire Buck after 3 seasons.

[Crazysilver03]

What is the process of not tendering a contract? I thought you were contractually obligated to pay once the player signed.

During the off-season, all players not under contract (or free agents) must be tendered a contract. A team can elect to non-tender a player (Reynolds, Scott, Rakers). Some teams do this because you can not slash someone's contract by more than 20% (and it happens rarely).

[Crazysilver03]

This is a ridiculous thread. The guy you should be angry at is named Jim Johnson.

Even if Johnson had converted saves the last two days, there is no reason for him to be in their a third day in a row, when the stats show he is terrible. As a manager, Buck is supposed to put his players in a position to succeed, and in this case, he put Johnson in a position to fail.

[OvechadoIII]

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Albert Einstein

[Crazysilver03]

If they non-tender Johnson, they'll need someone to replace his innings. So im not convinced they'll do that.

O"Day or Hunter could be moved into the closer role. The rest of the bullpen can be managed appropriately.

[Ommaculate]

It's not the O's year. It happens. I don't know how some people stay on here all day *****ing over and over about Johnson and Buck. Don't you get tired of it? Turn it off, go for a walk. It's not the end of the damn world.

[HokieOs]

#1: Firing Buck is a stupid idea. Yes, his handling of JJ this year has been piss poor and he is a bit stubborn to admit the mistake at this point. But the man changed the entire culture of the program. Yes, DD has been big as well, but the change doesn't happen with and Eric Wedge or a Dave Trembley at the helm.

#2: Johnson can't possibly be back next year. Not for what we would have to pay to keep him. No. He should have been traded last year (if we were able to). Closers are so over-valued it's ridiculous. It's too bad that option is out of the equation now.

[webbrick2010]

Would it be dumb to trade Johnson this offseason? If for nothing more a salary dump.

I don't see that they have a choice, although I think everyone realizes that he mentally will never again be a closer in big game playoff type atmosphere. I think Johnson was shattered in the playoffs last year which is why I was trumpeting for him to be traded last offseason. If we would have traded Johnson for a #5 starter we'd be in the playoffs this year.

I expect the O's to sign him to a one year deal for too much money and for him to suck next year.

[Lucky Jim]

As far as the bullpen success and failure goes, Buck isn't any dumber this year than he was brilliant last year. Many of us noted that there's a lot of risk when your closer doesn't have a lot of swing-and-miss (exacerbated by lack of swing-and-miss elsewhere). The more leveraged the role, the more weight that's put on the (often variable) BABIP. It is what it is. Sucks that it combined with the fact that he seems to have some mechanical issues. Buck probably thinks that the odds of Johnson reverting back to something better and someone else coming in and doing a slam-bang job are roughly even. By juggling you just create other uncertainties.

Finally, I'm pretty sure Buck blames the offense because it allows the blame to be diffused rather than focused on Johnson. My guess is it has very little to do with what he actually thinks.

This is a wholly unlovable team right now (in a laughably frustrating way) but it's also a flawed team that has, in some ways, maximized its rather narrow brand of talent. Some bad luck. That can always shift.

(I'd like to believe I would have traded JJ in the off-season, but I doubt it.)

Edit: I think the pennant was lost in the off-season. That's fine. I also think Duquette knew this and was focusing on a future rotation with Bundy and Gausman.

[25 Nuggets]

Did I just read an earnest Fire Buck thread? Seriously?

:slytf:

Noted. On August 14th, 2013 the Fire Buck bandwagon launched. Team record: 65-55.

[OFFNY]

Did I just read an earnest Fire Buck thread? Seriously?

:slytf:

Noted. On August 14th, 2003 the Fire Buck bandwagon launched.

Believe it or not, it I'd say that it started BEFORE today.

I guess this thread makes it official, though.

[Norfolk orioles]

Did I just read an earnest Fire Buck thread? Seriously?

:slytf:

Noted. On August 14th, 2013 the Fire Buck bandwagon launched. Team record: 65-55.

I qualified it........only if he continues to stick with JJ.

It would prove that he is too stubborn to lead a championship baseball team.

The only other alternative would be he is too stupid to figure out JJ is not closer material and that's honestly not any better.

[Ommaculate]

I fully expect JJ to still be the closer. Get ready for it. Buck may go to someone else once to give him a rest but JJ will be back after that.

[Gurgi]

I fully expect JJ to still be the closer. Get ready for it. Buck may go to someone else once to give him a rest but JJ will be back after that.

Buck fell hard for Jim Johnson and its going to be a long hard divorce. All Bucks friends keep telling him Jimmy aint good for him, that he deserves better, that no one deserves to take beatings like that. But what can you do? Love is strange.

[Old_Bay_Oriole]

The reporters are all on MASN's payroll. Almost what would happen in a Dictatorship.

You want to be the one who crosses Angelos?

Kubatko especially in my opinion. He's very proud of himself for being a "baseball insider" and not a mere peasant "fan", but never seems to have much of an opinion either way. Oh well

[NewMarketSean]

Firing Buck would be worse than the Davey Johnson situation. So I don't think or want it to happen but Buck needs to make a change, permanently.

I don't know if he will or not but I doubt we see Johnson in a save situation for the next week.

And all things considered, this team really needs to start hitting with RISP. it's easier for them to score runs with no one on base and 2 outs than it is to score a run with runners on with less than 2 outs. Ridiculous.