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JJ Hardy is ridiculously underpaid - And a Silver Slugger- And third in the Platinum glove voting.


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They don't, but it's like playing shortstop gets you this massive boost in player value. Lots of people can play shortstop. Machado, Hardy, Flaherty and Casilla could all play shortstop. It's just that JJ gets slotted there so we overrated him as a player. He just gets lucky by the guy Buck puts at shortstop.

Hell even Jones could play shortstop. Look at his arm and agility. He's outgrown the position a little, but I'm making a point.

Is this a serious post?
Are you really?

Is there anybody else in OH that agrees with this theory of yours?

The point you're making is that you have no idea what you're talking about. It's cool, though, we already knew.

Hey, if Ralph Kramden could have his no-cal pizza and glow-in-the dark shoe polish plans, then calmunderfire can have HIS crazy, hair-brained schemes.

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It is a serious post. Look, they have open competition in the NFL for roster spots and depth chart rankings. Playing shortstop is uniquely advantageous for a MLB player. JJ Hardy can play every day and start the all star game despite being a league average offensive player. Wow. Now I will say he is typically an above average to good defensive player. Not all world like people say he is. Though last year he was pretty damn lethal. Another thing. Playing shortstop equals green, (money) for players. Why? Because you get paid more for similar offensive production. A 2B, 3B or CF gets paid less than a shortstop who hits at the same level. In addition, you can be a below average offensive player and start every game for a MLB at SS for years. That's right playing shortstop increases your playing time and career. That is because teams essentially just expect you to go out there and be sure handed and turn hits into outs. In the MLB there is a pretty solid list of players who have this skillset. Believe me, Machado, Casilla, Flaherty and Hardy can turn some hits into outs from the shortstop position. Jones could do it too if he wasn't moved to CF.

So if I was in the MLB and in a perfect world I'd challenge Hardy for his SS spot. If he loses he'd have to move positions or DH or go to utility. May the best man win. Period. Bottom line, because playing shortstop would be in the best interest for me long term because of money, service time and respect. I do not think Roberts, Flaherty, Casilla could beat him out. Machado I'd say there is a high likelihood he would. Casilla possibly. Roberts doesn't have the range/arm/hands and Flaherty not the arm. Point is, hell yeah if I'm a middle infielder or a strong 3B it is in my best interest to challenge for the starting shortstop position.

Hardy is not worth all this money and I would say shortstops in general are except for the extreme defensive ones like Smith, Belanger and so forth.

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It is a serious post. Look, they have open competition in the NFL for roster spots and depth chart rankings. Playing shortstop is uniquely advantageous for a MLB player. JJ Hardy can play every day and start the all star game despite being a league average offensive player. Wow. Now I will say he is typically an above average to good defensive player. Not all world like people say he is. Though last year he was pretty damn lethal. Another thing. Playing shortstop equals green, (money) for players. Why? Because you get paid more for similar offensive production. A 2B, 3B or CF gets paid less than a shortstop who hits at the same level. In addition, you can be a below average offensive player and start every game for a MLB at SS for years. That's right playing shortstop increases your playing time and career. That is because teams essentially just expect you to go out there and be sure handed and turn hits into outs. In the MLB there is a pretty solid list of players who have this skillset. Believe me, Machado, Casilla, Flaherty and Hardy can turn some hits into outs from the shortstop position. Jones could do it too if he wasn't moved to CF.

So if I was in the MLB and in a perfect world I'd challenge Hardy for his SS spot. If he loses he'd have to move positions or DH or go to utility. May the best man win. Period. Bottom line, because playing shortstop would be in the best interest for me long term because of money, service time and respect. I do not think Roberts, Flaherty, Casilla could beat him out. Machado I'd say there is a high likelihood he would. Casilla possibly. Roberts doesn't have the range/arm/hands and Flaherty not the arm. Point is, hell yeah if I'm a middle infielder or a strong 3B it is in my best interest to challenge for the starting shortstop position.

Hardy is not worth all this money and I would say shortstops in general are except for the extreme defensive ones like Smith, Belanger and so forth.

Well, according to SI, your theory is all wet.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0807/mlb.average.salaries.by.position/content.5.html

1st = 5.4 million

2nd = 2.3 million

3rd = 4.67 million

SS = 3 million

OF = 4.7 million

DH = 6.7 million

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Well, according to SI, your theory is all wet.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0807/mlb.average.salaries.by.position/content.5.html

1st = 5.4 million

2nd = 2.3 million

3rd = 4.67 million

SS = 3 million

OF = 4.7 million

DH = 6.7 million

That is because most shortstops cannot hit. As a player I will make more money and stick in the MLB longer playing shortstop than other positions. Period.

If Casilla, Flaherty, Machado, etc. move to shortstop and all else remains equal they make more money. Period. Flaherty probably sticks in the MLB instead of being D'Fad.

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That is because most shortstops cannot hit. As a player I will make more money and stick in the MLB longer playing shortstop than other positions. Period.

If Casilla, Flaherty, Machado, etc. move to shortstop and all else remains equal they make more money. Period. Flaherty probably sticks in the MLB instead of being D'Fad.

Look it all starts in little league.

Your best player that are not pitching, go to short stop for the game.

Since SS is one of the most demanding athletic skillset required, they are your better players, and they have longer careers than the other guys.

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Look it all starts in little league.

Your best player that are not pitching, go to short stop for the game.

Since SS is one of the most demanding athletic skillset required, they are your better players, and they have longer careers than the other guys.

I agree. So if I'm somebody who could potentially beat out Hardy defensively at SS I'm going full force at it. Alpha Male, best man wins. If I was Buck, I'd listen to Machado and Casilla would could potentially beat him out.

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Question, would you rather have Miguel Cabrera or Hardy play SS for your team?

In this situation I would do this. Have Davis and Cabrera compete for the 1B job. Loser moves to DH. Have Machado, Casilla and Hardy compete for the SS position. Winner takes SS. Losers have to settle for 3B and 2B.

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In this situation I would do this. Have Davis and Cabrera compete for the 1B job. Loser moves to DH. Have Machado, Casilla and Hardy compete for the SS position. Winner takes SS. Losers have to settle for 3B and 2B.

Cabrera is not a likely option, so why waste the time discussing it.

So Hardy moves to third and Manny to SS?

Why mess with what is so plainly obvious is working well.

If it aint broke, then don't mess with it.

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In this situation I would do this. Have Davis and Cabrera compete for the 1B job. Loser moves to DH. Have Machado, Casilla and Hardy compete for the SS position. Winner takes SS. Losers have to settle for 3B and 2B.

No no.. ignore all other things... this isn't the Orioles we're talking about. In a vacuum you can have either Cabrera for SS or Hardy for SS. Whoever "loses" your fabricated competition is not on the team to play a backup position. Who do you take? The great bat who can't handle SS or the average bat who is a plus SS?

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McPhail didn't just acquire Hardy.

He also locked him up with the extension (and accompanying salary) that is the main topic of the thread:

J.J. Hardy Signs Extension with Orioles

(Associated Press)

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/6781753/jj-hardy-signs-3-year-extension-baltimore-orioles

I was responding to the OP in which Frobby had already noted the extension.

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If I was the manager I'm having open competitions among the starting players. It's just that simple. I'd have competitions at 1B and losers take DH. I'd have competitions at SS. Losers take 3B or 2B. Same in the outfield. If McLouth thinks he beat out Jones for CF then show me.

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If I was the manager I'm having open competitions among the starting players. It's just that simple. I'd have competitions at 1B and losers take DH. I'd have competitions at SS. Losers take 3B or 2B. Same in the outfield. If McLouth thinks he beat out Jones for CF then show me.

Sorry, but I do not believe this works at the MLB level.

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Well, according to SI, your theory is all wet.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0807/mlb.average.salaries.by.position/content.5.html

1st = 5.4 million

2nd = 2.3 million

3rd = 4.67 million

SS = 3 million

OF = 4.7 million

DH = 6.7 million

My theory, admittedly I didn't do any research, but 1B, DH, and 3B are more likely to be occupied by older players. Thus the cash.

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