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Does Chris Davis really have a shot at a Gold Glove?

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Gary Thorne and Jim Palmer were talking up Chris Davis as a Gold Glove candidate today, and I heard the same thing from Tom Davis and Steve Johnson on Wall to Wall Baseball yesterday.

Davis has 4 errors, and ranks 3rd in fielding percentage at .997. He has the second most scoop saves, with 42, behind Hosmer who has 45. Both UZR and dWAR have Davis at a fraction below average. Overall, I think he's done a solid job and has gotten better as the year has gone along, but I don't really see him as a Gold Glover. Of course, we all know that having a great offensive season sometimes gets you some Gold Glove votes.

Thoughts?

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I believe they are going to use defensive metrics to help determine the winners now. I will have to research it, I know it plays some role. I don't see him getting it because of the numbers you just gave.

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I believe they are going to use defensive metrics to help determine the winners now. I will have to research it, I know it plays some role. I don't see him getting it because of the numbers you just gave.
Managers and coaches make the selection, so I don't know how much, if any, they will rely on metrics. Teixeira missed most of the season so it forces the managers to pick another name.
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Gary Thorne and Jim Palmer were talking up Chris Davis as a Gold Glove candidate today, and I heard the same thing from Tom Davis and Steve Johnson on Wall to Wall Baseball yesterday.

Davis has 4 errors, and ranks 3rd in fielding percentage at .997. He has the second most scoop saves, with 42, behind Hosmer who has 45. Both UZR and dWAR have Davis at a fraction below average. Overall, I think he's done a solid job and has gotten better as the year has gone along, but I don't really see him as a Gold Glover. Of course, we all know that having a great offensive season sometimes gets you some Gold Glove votes.

Thoughts?

He probably won't win it based on 1st full season as a firstbaseman and his reputation before the season. But he should be considered and has put to bed any doubts about whether he can play the position.

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I mean yeah he has a shot, taking his offensive production into consideration, which sometimes tilts voters eyes because offense somehow equals defensive value. The scoop saves is an important stat, when you consider how valuable that must be to the left side of the infield, so that counts for something. The bar isn't set particularly high at 1st base when you consider some of the defensive metrics. Consider that there's only one 1st baseman in the AL with the qualified number of at bats with a positive defensive WAR, and that's Mike Napoli. The leader in range factor and the guy tied with Davis and Justin Smoak in fielding % now plays in the NL. So is there a shot, sure I'd say so, even though I would agree he's probably been closer to below average. But, that's still better than I and others could have hoped he would be coming into the season.

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I hate it when guys when Gold Gloves with their bat. We know who the best offensive players are, we need the people who pay the most attention to decide who the best defensive players are. I think David is good, better than Reynolds for sure, but I don't think he's the best in the league. Maybe Hosmer, I'm not sure.

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It would be nice to see Davis get a Gold Glove. What about the chances of Manny? Jones? Hardy? Markakis? Wieters?

Manny and Hardy, yes. The rest, I doubt it. I could see Davis getting a GG before any of the other candidates.

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The FB has Davis at a -4 RS and Napoli as the best 1B in the AL at a +10 RS. I really find that hard to believe. Davis has looked fine to me at 1B, and I can't believe that Napoli is that much better. I think the metrics don't capture 1B play as accurately as they do other positions.

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Manny's a lock, Hardy's a good bet, AJ and Wieters will have to get in by reputation and not numbers, Davis and Markakis are... a longshot.

I cannot shake this uneasy feeling that Manny gets shafted when the awards come out. I mean logic, the stats, and the eye test all say he should win it. But, are voters really going to give it to a guy in his first full season in the big leagues who isn't playing his natural position?

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The FB has Davis at a -4 RS and Napoli as the best 1B in the AL at a +10 RS. I really find that hard to believe. Davis has looked fine to me at 1B, and I can't believe that Napoli is that much better. I think the metrics don't capture 1B play as accurately as they do other positions.

This is where I don't understand or believe all the defensive metrics. Davis has played 24 more games, has 206 more innings, has 286 more chances, and 2 less errors. Yet has negative metrics, while Napali is well above. Anyone who has seen them both play knows Napali isn't a better defensive 1B!

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I cannot shake this uneasy feeling that Manny gets shafted when the awards come out. I mean logic, the stats, and the eye test all say he should win it. But, are voters really going to give it to a guy in his first full season in the big leagues who isn't playing his natural position?

I would be beyond shocked. The stats guys love him. The TWTW old timers love him. He's put up highlights against every team. He made a fantastic play in the All Star Game which drew even more attention to what he can do.

At this point, when you think "best defensive 3B in the game", pretty much anyone is going to say Machado simply because of the coverage he's gotten. There was a time when "Zimmerman" was what people answered, and "Rolen" before him.

I would be beyond shocked if he doesn't get it.

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