Evidence Jon Lester cheated in game 1 of the World Series!

[Ommaculate]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1823409-jon-lester-accused-of-cheating-in-world-series-by-cardinals-minor-league-pitcher?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial&hpt=hp_t2

There is evidence Lester cheated in game 1. What is that green thing on his glove? Should Boston have to forfeit the game? This isn't the first time Boston was caught this year. Remember Buccholz and the shiny arm incident?

I am convinced he cheated! Look how he keeps putting his fingers on that green spot on his glove! What else could it be?

[OFFNY]

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Strangely enough, the Cardinals were involved in a similar controversy in the 2006 World Series when Kenny Rogers (the opposing pitcher) had a brown substance on his pitching hand, and was told to remove it between the 1st and 2nd innings (he did.)

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?id=2635618

And just like now with Mike Matheny, Tony La Russa and company played it down, and said that they didn't have a problem with it, and cited the fact that Rogers continued to shut the Cardinals down from the 2nd through 8th innings, even after he removed the brown substance.

[OsEatAlEast]

Since MLB is so ho hum about suspected cheating. I say the O's should get in on it. Buy bullfrog bug repellent by the case and have curveballs and two seam fastballs that break so hard. That they make batters simultaneously swing at the same pitch they get beaned with. If you're not cheating you're not trying ! Push the envelope and make them do something about it, I say! :thumbsup1::beerchug1:

[OsEatAlEast]

Who was that Yankee pitcher who broke Chris Hoiles wrist(1992) in a game he was cheating in? Was it Greg Cadaret? When the umps came to the mound he stuck whatever he had in his glove in his mouth. After being questioned what he had in his mouth he just shook his head and said nothing. But when he goes into the dugout the video clearly shows him taking something out of his mouth and throwing it in the trash.

They didn't care then when a player got injured and I bet they don't give a crap now either. Which is a shame IMO.

[OFFNY]

Since MLB is so ho hum about suspected cheating. I say the O's should get in on it. Buy bullfrog bug repellent by the case and have curveballs and two seam fastballs that break so hard. That they make batters simultaneously swing at the same pitch they get beaned with. If you're not cheating, you're not trying ! Push the envelope and make them do something about it, I say! :thumbsup1::beerchug1:

"And, don't forget, the Associated Press tells us that 218 people have been killed on the nation's highways. The National Safety Council expects a total of 500. You're not trying, friends !!!"

George Carlin, 1971

[Ommaculate]

Who was that Yankee pitcher who broke Chris Hoiles wrist(1992) in a game he was cheating in? Was it Greg Cadaret? When the umps came to the mound he stuck whatever he had in his glove in his mouth. After being questioned what he had in his mouth he just shook his head and said nothing. But when he goes into the dugout the video clearly shows him taking something out of his mouth and throwing it in the trash.

They didn't care then when a player got injured and I bet they don't give a crap now either. Which is a shame IMO.

Tim Leary.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1992-08-04/sports/1992217049_1_orioles-hoiles-pennant

[murph]

Wouldn't any foreign substance be used to make the ball move more? From what I saw last he was just hitting his spots with amazing precision, movement or otherwise.

[Can_of_corn]

Wouldn't any foreign substance be used to make the ball move more? From what I saw last he was just hitting his spots with amazing precision, movement or otherwise.

It isn't used on the ball, it is used on the fingers to improve grip.

To me, improved grip means potentially greater movement on pitches but baseball as a whole considers it a non-issue.

[murph]

It isn't used on the ball, it is used on the fingers to improve grip.

To me, improved grip means potentially greater movement on pitches but baseball as a whole considers it a non-issue.

Ok. But my point still stands, he didn't need the movement with command he had last night. IMHO.

Does anyone else think he had unusual movement on his pitches? (General question for anyone. I agree baseball and the Cards have moved on).

[Can_of_corn]

Ok. But my point still stands, he didn't need the movement with command he had last night. IMHO.

Does anyone else think he had unusual movement on his pitches? (General question for anyone. I agree baseball and the Cards have moved on).

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2013/10/24/did-jon-lester-doctor-ball-you-can-look-at-the-data-theres-nothing-there/

To Dan Brooks, the answer is very straightforward: No.

Brooks, a neuroscientist at Brown University who runs the indispensable BrooksBaseball.net (which compiles data about pitch type, movement, location and rotation to offer a detailed picture of pitching performances), suggested that the pitching data related to Lester’s dominant 7 2/3 shutout inning performance offered no evidence of the pitcher benefiting from cheating.

“You can look at the data. There’s nothing there. There’s not going to be anything there. There’s nothing to look for. There’s no erratic movement. He threw more cutters last night than he has in a while, but he was facing a very right-hand dominated lineup,” said Brooks. “As far as, was there any weird erratic pattern? No.”

Lester’s fastball averaged 93.6 mph and topped out at 95.7 mph with an average horizontal break of 7.95 inches and an average vertical break of 10.19 inches. His cutter averaged 89.2 mph and topped out at 91.5 mph, with an average horizontal break of 1.84 inches and an average vertical break of 5.18 inches.

[Ommaculate]

Ok. But my point still stands, he didn't need the movement with command he had last night. IMHO.

Does anyone else think he had unusual movement on his pitches? (General question for anyone. I agree baseball and the Cards have moved on).

Yes. Before the game they were saying Lester needs to not use his cutter because it's his weakest pitch. Then I was seeing his cutter moving like crazy striking people out in the first inning. Amazing his worst pitch got great all of a sudden.

And who knows if Wainwright did the same thing, maybe he wouldn't have done so poorly.

[OsEatAlEast]

Tim Leary.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1992-08-04/sports/1992217049_1_orioles-hoiles-pennant

Thanks! Boy when he's not busy writing counter culture books about mind altering substances. He's busy ruining a young players breakout year. What a jerk!

[OsEatAlEast]

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2013/10/24/did-jon-lester-doctor-ball-you-can-look-at-the-data-theres-nothing-there/

But that could point to the hypothetical that he's been doing it all year. I think a lot of the Boston pitchers have been doing it. How many of Boston's pitchers have had career years this season I wonder?

[Can_of_corn]

But that could point to the hypothetical that he's been doing it all year. I think a lot of the Boston pitchers have been doing it. How many of Boston's pitchers have had career years this season I wonder?

You asked, I answered.

Baseball didn't discover Bullfrog this season.

Supposedly a significant number of pitchers throughout baseball use substances beyond the rosin bag to improve grip.

[OsEatAlEast]

You asked, I answered.

Baseball didn't discover Bullfrog this season.

Supposedly a significant number of pitchers throughout baseball use substances beyond the rosin bag to improve grip.

Oh I realize this, I'm not that naive. But 4 out of the 5 Boston starters either set or tied their career marks in bb/9 if you account for sample size. So if you have an offensive philosophy to take many walks I guess it would be even better to find a way to limit the walks your pitchers give.

That's smart! I say the O's should jump on this train a.s.a.p.