Samardzija for Wieters? Roch dreaming of Samardzija throwing to Saltalamacchia for Orioles

[Dark Helmet]

Doesn't Jef Samardzija have like a 4.30 career ERA? No thanks - not sure why we trade a very good defensive catcher with power for an average SP...we have average starting pitchers in spades.

What we don't have is an innings eater that can also strike guys out.

[Ommaculate]

That's why I said Bundy . I don't think Bundy will ever be the hype. Small frame with arm troubles already.

I wasn't that impressed when he got a cup of coffee in the majors. Maybe he was hurt then, but he didn't show close to the stuff Gausman has.

[Dark Helmet]

Why would we trade a guy who we "can't afford" with 2 years left, for a pitcher that we know will NEVER get paid from this organization with 2 years left?

Especially when the player coming back, could get much more money overall?

I agree. However, I think the Orioles would pay Wieters what he's worth. Just not 100 plus million. I do agree on Samardzija. The Orioles will never hand out a 5/60m deal on a pitcher. Thats what it will take imo.

[Dark Helmet]

I wasn't that impressed when he got a cup of coffee in the majors. Maybe he was hurt then, but he didn't show close to the stuff Gausman has.

Agree. Maybe he was hurt. But as you said, Gausman has much better stuff overall.

[Number5]

Doesn't Jef Samardzija have like a 4.30 career ERA? No thanks - not sure why we trade a very good defensive catcher with power for an average SP...we have average starting pitchers in spades.

:agree:

Why give up Bundy or Gausman for 2 years of Samardzija, when we can just sign Felman, Arroyo, or maybe even Burnett (if he decides not to retire)?

[Can_of_corn]

That's why I said Bundy . I don't think Bundy will ever be the hype. Small frame with arm troubles already.

Bundy doesn't have a "small frame". Bundy isn't tall.

Not tall does not mean small framed.

[weams]

Bundy doesn't have a "small frame". Bundy isn't tall.

Not tall does not mean small framed.

I promise you. Bundy will not be traded before his rehab is complete and he has shown recovery. The sell low on Bundy will be after he has failed as a prospect, not before.

[weams]

Bundy doesn't have a "small frame". Bundy isn't tall.

Small framed.

[andrewrickli]

I wasn't that impressed when he got a cup of coffee in the majors. Maybe he was hurt then, but he didn't show close to the stuff Gausman has.

This is comical. Gausman shows 97-99. Bundy came up throwing 93-96 with a power curve, and god change up and a cut fastball/slider and you are comparing him to Gausman saying you weren't impressed??

Not many pitchers can come up and show what Gausman did.

[weams]

This is comical. Gausman shows 97-99. Bundy came up throwing 93-96 with a power curve, and god change up and a cut fastball/slider and you are comparing him to Gausman saying you weren't impressed??

Not many pitchers can come up and show what Gausman did.

scOtt and I saw Bundy in his first start in Frederick. justD and I saw him face the Red Sox in Fort Myers. Before he was hurt. He was darned good.

[Number5]

This is comical. Gausman shows 97-99. Bundy came up throwing 93-96 with a power curve, and god change up and a cut fastball/slider and you are comparing him to Gausman saying you weren't impressed??

Not many pitchers can come up and show what Gausman did.

I don't see this situation as being a choice between Bundy and Gausman. Bundy and Gausman are our top two prospects. Trading either for 2 years of Samardzija would be a mistake, IMO.

[Pickles]

I'm reading a lot of insanity in this thread.

But to make this a short thread:

What's so special about a guy with a 4.3 ERA in the NL Central?

That's Bud Norris territory folks.

[Ommaculate]

This is comical. Gausman shows 97-99. Bundy came up throwing 93-96 with a power curve, and god change up and a cut fastball/slider and you are comparing him to Gausman saying you weren't impressed??

Not many pitchers can come up and show what Gausman did.

Please show me where Bundy pitched in an MLB game throwing 96 mph? It didn't happen I recollect. I recall him throwing low 90's maximum and even upper 80's.

[Tx Oriole]

I don't see this situation as being a choice between Bundy and Gausman. Bundy and Gausman are our top two prospects. Trading either for 2 years of Samardzija would be a mistake, IMO.

I agree it would be.

[Can_of_corn]

Please show me where Bundy pitched in an MLB game throwing 96 mph? It didn't happen I recollect. I recall him throwing low 90's maximum and even upper 80's.

How about 95?

The Orioles' first-round pick in last year's Draft and considered one of baseball's best prospects, Bundy threw a fastball that topped out at 95 mph, and to Valencia he threw a pair of sliders -- which looked, perhaps, like his banned cutter pitch.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120923&content_id=38911926&vkey=news_bal&c_id=bal

Maybe he hit 96 in his second appearance.

Here we go, pitch FX for both appearances.

http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfx.aspx?playerid=12917&position=P

91.5-95.3 MPH on the fastball which makes Micky's recollection a lot more accurate then yours.