Cast your 2014 Hall of Fame Ballot (Update: Maddux, Glavine, Thomas Elected)

[Number5]

Hornung and Karras were also not the head manager, with the ability to a control over the game that a manager does.

Not that what they did was right, they got a one year suspension.

I still say, Rose would have been forgiven and reinstated, if he humbled himself and owned up to his sins and asked for forgiveness.

Well, if anyone bets on his own team to win, he is violating a rule, but he is not jeopardizing the integrity of the game, in my view, since his motivation is still to win. An umpire, however, is a whole different animal, as the Richie Garcia incident illustrates. He was standing at the wall, looking up. Blown calls happen, but that one was hard to miss. If you choose to believe that he just "missed" that call, that is up to you. I will never be convinced of that, however. When the news came out in 2002 about Garcia's gambling, and the wrist-slap that he received at the same time that Pete Rose was being banned for life, the play on Jeter's fly ball came to my mind immediately.

[Can_of_corn]

Well, if anyone bets on his own team to win, he is violating a rule, but he is not jeopardizing the integrity of the game, in my view, since his motivation is still to win. An umpire, however, is a whole different animal, as the Richie Garcia incident illustrates. He was standing at the wall, looking up. Blown calls happen, but that one was hard to miss. If you choose to believe that he just "missed" that call, that is up to you. I will never be convinced of that, however. When the news came out in 2002 about Garcia's gambling, and the wrist-slap that he received at the same time that Pete Rose was being banned for life, the play on Jeter's fly ball came to my mind immediately.

But he didn't bet on his team to win every game. While he never, to my knowledge, bet against the Reds there were games were he didn't place a bet. That opens up all sorts of situation to include effectively giving inside information to his bookies to putting into question game decisions.

I have no problem with lifetime bans of any player, manager, coach, or official caught gambling on his sport.

[wildcard]

Question: Is Frank Thomas the first HOFer to have more plate appearances at DH than any other position he played?

[Redskins Rick]

But he didn't bet on his team to win every game. While he never, to my knowledge, bet against the Reds there were games were he didn't place a bet. That opens up all sorts of situation to include effectively giving inside information to his bookies to putting into question game decisions.

I have no problem with lifetime bans of any player, manager, coach, or official caught gambling on his sport.

But he did, he bet every game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2798498

[Redskins Rick]

Question: Is Frank Thomas the first HOFer to have more plate appearances at DH than any other position he played?

Answer is yes.

[Number5]

But he didn't bet on his team to win every game. While he never, to my knowledge, bet against the Reds there were games were he didn't place a bet. That opens up all sorts of situation to include effectively giving inside information to his bookies to putting into question game decisions.

I am far less upset at Pete Rose being banned than the wrist-slap Richie Garcia got, and his subsequently being the guy at the wall looking up. If you ban Rose, you fire Garcia. To me, an umpire has to be held to an even higher standard than the players and managers. A quiet wrist slap was ridiculous, especially since it was going on at the same time as the Pete Rose thing. I wondered for years how on earth Richie Garcia could possibly have missed that call, until the 2002 news report of his previous gambling issues.

[Can_of_corn]

But he did, he bet every game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2798498

From the piece you quoted:

Dowd told the program that Rose did not bet at all in the 1987 season when Mario Soto or Bill Gullickson pitched.

Rose has never given me a reason to believe him over any other human in existence.

[TonySoprano]

16 writers didn't vote for Maddux. Some of these self-righteous writers need to see their proctologist to have their heads removed from their rectums. Biggio misses by one or two votes. Glavine almost drew twice the votes of Mussina and Schilling combined.

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[OFFNY]

Well, if anyone bets on his own team to win, he is violating a rule, but he is not jeopardizing the integrity of the game, in my view, since his motivation is still to win. An umpire, however, is a whole different animal, as the Richie Garcia incident illustrates. He was standing at the wall, looking up. Blown calls happen, but that one was hard to miss. If you choose to believe that he just "missed" that call, that is up to you. I will never be convinced of that, however. When the news came out in 2002 about Garcia's gambling, and the wrist-slap that he received at the same time that Pete Rose was being banned for life, the play on Jeter's fly ball came to my mind immediately.

This is not true, as Corn alludes to in his subsequent post.

If Rose bet on his team to win certain games, his managing of said games would likely be biased. He isn't managing with the sole intention of his team winning games, but also with the incentive to win certain, specific games ...... hence his management of his bullpen (as one example) would likely be skewed, in BOTH the games the he bet on AND on the games that he did not bet on would have varied importance to Rose. And this is not even taking into account the possibility of whether or not he used spreads to cover.

There was an excellent episode of the old classic The White Shadow, which covered this precise subject. Curtis Jackson (starting forward) was betting on his team to win.

THE EPISODE:O http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7mwp4_the-white-shadow-on-the-line_shortfilms

[Redskins Rick]

From the piece you quoted:

Rose has never given me a reason to believe him over any other human in existence.

But, he bet on the game, plain and simple, and it was until this book came out, did he even own up to it. How many years after the fact?

I have no problem with Rose not being in the HOF, nor should he be allowed in.

[Redskins Rick]

16 writers didn't vote for Maddux. Some of these self-righteous writers need to see their proctologist to have their heads removed from their rectums. Biggio misses by one or two votes. Glavine almost drew twice the votes of Mussina and Schilling combined.

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I agree, total travesty!

[Can_of_corn]

But, he bet on the game, plain and simple, and it was until this book came out, did he even own up to it. How many years after the fact?

I have no problem with Rose not being in the HOF, nor should he be allowed in.

Just saying that I believe that Rose did not bet on his team every game.

I also think the man is a pathological liar that only tells partial truths when there is money in it for him.

[Redskins Rick]

Just saying that I believe that Rose did not bet on his team every game.

I also think the man is a pathological liar that only tells partial truths when there is money in it for him.

We can both agree there for sure.

[Redskins Rick]

Baseball writers should no longer have a say in the HOF. It's just that simple. They are out of touch, vindictive, bitter, and most of them are shills and bad writers to boot.

I agree, so how do you solve this problem.

Letting the fans vote, would only be worse than the Baseball Writers, and Managers play favorites for those whose played for them.

[wildcard]

Answer is yes.

I wonder if that opens the door for Edgar Martinez.