Do you think Schoop will be traded?

[Can_of_corn]

I am still in the camp that think Flash has upside, yes, he has shown an ability to stink and an ability to hit, depending on how you cherry pick the small sample size.

It's isn't unreasonable to think that he puts it all together and becomes a .270-285 hitter.

To me he has shown an ability to "get hot". He scuffles for weeks at a time them Bam he starts hitting. We really have not had a chance to see how long he can ride one of these hot streaks.

[Il BuonO]

If you read what I first wrote you will find this.. I've never been high on Flaherty and see him as a Utility guy only. He can fill in at 3 or 4 position in the infield if need be. But he's not an every day player.

So I don't disagree with him be a UIF. Just don't see him as an every day player.

Right but then you contradicted it with, "Not a AAA player and not close to a Major League player," in response to CA-ORIOLE.

I am not above the occasional snark in a post, but maybe it would have been more accurate to have said something along the lines of his ability to hit the CB instead of questioning his abilities as a ML player.

[Il BuonO]

I was hoping Schoop would be ready early this season but his injury last season pushed him back. I don't think his talent level is such that you can just throw him into the majors like they did Manny.

I agree and I think most scouts would make that assessment when it comes to Schoop. He's good, but never has graded out as high as Manny in any category.

[BradyBunch]

He had a stress fracture in his back. He only played 70 of 144 games in Norfolk last season.

His season was most assuredly impacted by the injury.

70 games in Norfolk. He also played another 32 games in Rookie ball, A ball and Majors. 102 games played last season. Throw in WBC, Fall ball and he's closer to 120. So it's not he didn't put a full season in.

On top of that O's typically don't bring guys up young talent position players from AAA. Weiters is the last one but he spent 39 games there and put there for contract reasons.

[Redskins Rick]

I agree and I think most scouts would make that assessment when it comes to Schoop. He's good, but never has graded out as high as Manny in any category.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/bal-five-orioles-listed-in-baseball-prospectus-top-101-rankings-20140127,0,4451371.story?track=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Baseball Prospectus has Schoop at 82 out of 101, according to the Sun article.

[BradyBunch]

I agree and I think most scouts would make that assessment when it comes to Schoop. He's good, but never has graded out as high as Manny in any category.

Schoop grading

Machado grading

[Redskins Rick]

Schoop grading

Machado grading

They missed the Machado time line, didn't they?

I think the starting 2014 prediction was before missing half of last season, but like they said, maybe a year or two away from starting.

[BradyBunch]

Mendoza line? Not a chance imo. The guy had worked himself out of his slump last year when he was sat down for a guy that had contributed basically nothing for the last 3 and a half seasons. What a horrible' date=' horrible decision that was.[/quote']

If you call working yourself out of .217 batting average at the All-Star break to post All-Star break average of .223.. then wow.

[twinedenter]

To me he has shown an ability to "get hot". He scuffles for weeks at a time them Bam he starts hitting. We really have not had a chance to see how long he can ride one of these hot streaks.

I agree with you however, this is not a negative thing. ALL hitters go through stretches. Its the ones that can hold it together while they slump, that succeed.

[CA-ORIOLE]

Schoop grading

Machado grading

I just read the first lines. What are you arguing here?

Machado: All-Star caliber player with plus offensive potential and a chance to stick at shortstop.

Schoop: Potential solid-to above-average MLB player at either second or third base.

[Frobby]

To me he has shown an ability to "get hot". He scuffles for weeks at a time them Bam he starts hitting. We really have not had a chance to see how long he can ride one of these hot streaks.

Exactly. In 2012, Flaherty had a .411 OPA through June 27 and then .820 the rest of the way. In 2013, he had an OPS of .476 on June 17 and then .969 the rest of the way. So who is the "real" Flaherty -- the guy who started off ice-cold both years, the guy who finished red hot both years, the guy who overall has a .658 OPS, or some better version of the guy who has the .658 OPS now that he has a little experience under his belt? I'm willing to find out the answer in 2014 while Schoop is polishing his game -- which needs more polish -- for a couple of months at Norfolk.

[BradyBunch]

They missed the Machado time line, didn't they?

I think the starting 2014 prediction was before missing half of last season, but like they said, maybe a year or two away from starting.

Machado was brought up because there was a big hole at 3rd and there was huge possibility Aug 9th 2012 the O's weren't gonna make the playoffs. So he got his chance. He would have been up in 2013 so a year off isn't bad.

[scOtt]

Exactly. In 2012, Flaherty had a .411 OPA through June 27 and then .820 the rest of the way. In 2013, he had an OPS of .476 on June 17 and then .969 the rest of the way. So who is the "real" Flaherty -- the guy who started off ice-cold both years, the guy who finished red hot both years, the guy who overall has a .658 OPS, or some better version of the guy who has the .658 OPS now that he has a little experience under his belt? I'm willing to find out the answer in 2014 while Schoop is polishing his game -- which needs more polish -- for a couple of months at Norfolk.

Am I remembering right? His glove needs more polish than his bat?

[CA-ORIOLE]

Exactly. In 2012, Flaherty had a .411 OPA through June 27 and then .820 the rest of the way. In 2013, he had an OPS of .476 on June 17 and then .969 the rest of the way. So who is the "real" Flaherty -- the guy who started off ice-cold both years, the guy who finished red hot both years, the guy who overall has a .658 OPS, or some better version of the guy who has the .658 OPS now that he has a little experience under his belt? I'm willing to find out the answer in 2014 while Schoop is polishing his game -- which needs more polish -- for a couple of months at Norfolk.

Maybe the real RF is something close to where he ended up last year. If he's up around a 720 OPS (which I think he can be), then he's an asset. If he makes the adjustments against changeups/splitters, then he'll be fine imo. That seems to be his biggest flaw. I think he has good eye and more OBP potential than people think. I expect he'll have a RH platoon partner, so exposure to LHP probably wont be that much of an issue.

He may fail, but I'm excited to see him be given a shot.

[BradyBunch]

Right but then you contradicted it with, "Not a AAA player and not close to a Major League player," in response to CA-ORIOLE.

I am not above the occasional snark in a post, but maybe it would have been more accurate to have said something along the lines of his ability to hit the CB instead of questioning his abilities as a ML player.

He's numbers say he's not a AAA player or even MLB player for a season which is what we are hashing out here. UTL player sure his numbers say hes a plus defender with some pop and can get hot. But over the long haul of a season he's a Double A guy. So not a contradiction. But how you view his stats.