Does anyone believe the payroll with be $100 million?

[weams]

Wrote that before you edited your post. Sorry.

I still think it is pretty risky to extend a middle infielder through 35 or 36. Especially for a guy who's skillset has such potential for volatility.

I know. But the last contract was gold. That was what I was talking about. Not current extension talks. Or intelligence.

[El Gordo]

By wOBA, Hardy has been the 11th best offensive shortstop over the last 3 years. By wRC+, he's 14th.

How does he do by WAR and UZR? That counts too doesn't it, or is SS another offensive position like C and DFH?

[El Gordo]

We have been over this before. I think it is very unlikely.

The O's overpaid to keep him.

When was he due to be a FA?

[Babypowder]

How does he do by WAR and UZR? That counts too doesn't it, or is SS another offensive position like C and DFH?

Of course it does. He specifically said Hardy was top 3 or 4 offensively however.

[Can_of_corn]

When was he due to be a FA?

Following the 2009 season.

[El Gordo]

Following the 2009 season.

So for the previous 3 years he averages 50 2BH 40 SB and puts up .290 .370 .444 .814, averaging 157 G per season at age 29, and he is not worth 4/40M? I wonder what a 2B who had those numbers this year as a FA would get.

[Frobby]

Of course it does. He specifically said Hardy was top 3 or 4 offensively however.

Hardy is not an elite shortstop offensively, despite winning the Silver Slugger. The combined package is pretty nice, though.

[Can_of_corn]

So for the previous 3 years he averages 50 2BH 40 SB and puts up .290 .370 .444 .814, averaging 157 G per season at age 29, and he is not worth 4/40M? I wonder what a 2B who had those numbers this year as a FA would get.

Orlando Hudson signed a 1/5 deal with the Twins that offseason.

It was not a good offseason to be a free agent.

Now you can say that Roberts was a better player but four times the length at twice the AAV better?

And you think he would have done better then four times the length and twice the AAV.

[weams]

Of course it does. He specifically said Hardy was top 3 or 4 offensively however.

Hardy is not an elite shortstop offensively, despite winning the Silver Slugger. The combined package is pretty nice, though.

I did. I confess.

[Frobby]

So for the previous 3 years he averages 50 2BH 40 SB and puts up .290 .370 .444 .814, averaging 157 G per season at age 29, and he is not worth 4/40M? I wonder what a 2B who had those numbers this year as a FA would get.

Orlando Hudson signed a 1/5 deal with the Twins that offseason.

It was not a good offseason to be a free agent.

Now you can say that Roberts was a better player but four times the length at twice the AAV better?

And you think he would have done better then four times the length and twice the AAV.

I think Can_of_corn is probably right that we overpaid BRob by a little, considering his track record. Not by a huge amount, though. You don't expect a player to be as good at ages 32-35 as he was at ages 28-31. You also don't expect his to be injured 75% of the time he is under contract.

[weams]

Of course it does. He specifically said Hardy was top 3 or 4 offensively however.

You know I am all about the bombs.

[Frobby]

Wrote that before you edited your post. Sorry.

I still think it is pretty risky to extend a middle infielder through 35 or 36. Especially for a guy who's skillset has such potential for volatility.

FWIW, Oliver's projections for Hardy the next five years:

2014: .734 OPS, .319 wOBA, 3.4 wOBA

2015: .725, .315, 3.2

2016: .707, .308, 2.8

2017: .692, .302, 2.5

2018: .665, .291, 1.9

Still pretty decent even in 2018, but I'd rather avoid that last year.

[OFFNY]

Does anyone believe the payroll with be $100 million?

The front office keeps saying that the payroll will be $100 million this year? Does anyone actually believe this? If so, how??

Yeah, I think it's possible.