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Even after big Jimenez signing, Orioles have remained in contact with Ervin Santana.


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Nonsense. If the right player came along I would trade him in a second. You are saying if the Orioles were offered Mike Trout for him they should turn the Angels down?

Oh, come on. You know what he means. Of course you would part with Gausman for a bonafide superstar but we shouldn't be shopping him around or even really entertaining the idea unless we are blown away.

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Hear this. This team would be INSANE to trade Gausman right now.

What is the issue if the trade is a fair one? Certainly there is a like-kind hitting prospect that would provide a nice giddyup to the daily lineup at a low cost and could ease the possible future loss of Markakis or Davis or Wieters.

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Nonsense. If the right player came along I would trade him in a second. You are saying if the Orioles were offered Mike Trout for him they should turn the Angels down?

Of course you listen. On everyone. Honestly though, the list of players I'd take for Gausman is very small and none of those players are going anywhere either.

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I seriously doubt we're in on Santana but two things:

1. Now that a major FA has been added this hot stove action has become really fun

2. I could believe the rumor since the 1st rounder is gone and Santana could be desperate. I mean, if you can get him cheap, and that elbow is healthy, go for it and work out some trades.

Tillman, Jimenez, Chen, Santana, Gonzalez

[Norris, Gausman, Britton, and a bunch of others...]

Talk about a good 'problem' to have...

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I'd rather a bat. What's a bigger upgrade, Morales/Cruz over our DH options or Santana over Norris?
I'd have to say Santana over Norris. We could manage with Henry/Young/Reimold/Pearce at DH. In fact they could well do better than Morales/Cruz. No way Norris is better than Santana unless Santana's arm falls off.
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What is the issue if the trade is a fair one? Certainly there is a like-kind hitting prospect that would provide a nice giddyup to the daily lineup at a low cost and could ease the possible future loss of Markakis or Davis or Wieters.
I'd trade Gausman for Stanton or Abreu.
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I think that's all most of us have been wanting. The boredom was pretty agonizing.

Also, I maintain that a Santana signing doesn't necessarily mean you have to trade anyone other than perhaps Britton if he doesn't crack the team.

Very true. They might like Norris closing, for example. I do think a Santana signing means they couldn't sign a bat they wanted and might trade for one but who knows. Feb 21st and I'm finally enjoying the off season... :)

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Any chance Santana would sign a one year deal late in the offseason to improve his value for next year? Maybe the Orioles could give him a one year deal and promise not to offer a QO after the season?

If we could add Santana on a 1 year/$10 million deal, that would be outstanding.

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I disagree. Although he's not a baseball savant, he certainly has a grasp of what the teams needs are. Regarding the sources.....don't they all leak what the WANT leaked? Seems fairly obvious to me. It just depends on who the source is. A lot of national guys have sources with agents, individual clubs and MLB offices. They tell what they want, and know it'll go public. Obviously Roch has sources with the Orioles, it makes sense. His main job is to report on the club and give as much information as possible to the public. I think he's gotten a lot of flack over the years because he's thrown cold water on a lot of rumors. Looking back, he's usually right on.

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If DD somehow managed to sign Santana and flip one of the excess starters (i.e., Britton, Matusz, or Norris...preferably one of the first two, since I think Norris would be good in the pen) for a legitimate DH, I would be stunned into silence. I'm not even joking. I doubt I'd be able to think of anything to say for at least 24 hours.

I agree. His stock would go way up in my eyes.

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