Where would the M's prospects rank...

[HarryReasonable]

What has Rowell actually done to rate that high?

If you really want to make this interesting, how about throwing Matt Murton, Felix Pie, Sean Gallagher, Sean Marshall, Ronny Cedeno and the Patterson kid (forgot his first name) into the mix with the Seattle prospects (including Morrow and Ballentien) and the Orioles prospects and come up with a good top 15 or 20. Then we'd see what we really should be shooting for.

And yes, I know that som of these guys are not really "prospects" any more, but I did see Scott Moore on the Orioles list, which confused me a little.

[TheBee]

Rowell is the second best prospect in the Orioles' system today, not Rhadames. Liz is far too old to be considered in the top 3 IMO. He's essentially Daniel Cabrera from 3 years ago without any major league experience. Is that better then a 19 year old power hitter who has performed very well in the low minors?

11-4 3.22 137 ip 161 k's held hitters to a 204 average

He throws mid to high nineties with life and has a developing changeup

By the way - just checked John Sickels at minorleagueball - he has Liz third

Didn't he throw a no hitter too?

It isn't an exact science but the kid a great year. Baseba;; America has him at two - Rowell at five

[Greg Pappas]

Jones, Albers are not eligible.. Sarfate may be ineligible...not sure

Again... using the OH Top 30;

1. Matt Wieters - C

Clement

2. Billy Rowell - 3B

Triunfel

Patton

3. Chorye Spoone - RHP

Tillman

4. Nolan Reimold - OF

5. Brandon Erbe - RHP

6. Radhames Liz - RHP

7. Brandon Snyder - 1B/3B

8. Garrett Olson - LHP

9. Pedro Beato - RHP

10. Zach Britton - LHP

11. Tyler Henson - SS

12. Jake Arrieta - RHP

Butler

Chen

13. David Hernandez - RHP

14. Tim Bascom - RHP

Costanzo

15. Scott Moore - 3B

16. Matt Angle - CF

17. James Hoey - RHP

18. Brad Bergesen - RHP

19. Bob McCrory - RHP

20. Chris Vinyard - 1B

21. Joe Mahoney - 1B

22. Brandon Tripp - OF

23. Jason Berken - RHP

24. Brett Bordes - LHP

25. Tyler Kolodny - 3B

26. Fredy Deza - RHP

27. Luis Hernandez - SS

28. Luis Lebron - RHP

29. Blake Davis - SS

30. Miguel Abreau - 2B

[furryburres]

1. Matt Wieters

2. Carlos Triunfel

3. Jeff Clement

4. Troy Patton

5. Billy Rowell

6. Chorye Spoon

7. Nolan Reimold

8. Chris Tillman

9. Brandon Erbe

10. Radhames Liz

11. Brandon Snyder

12. Garret Olson

13. Pedro Beato

14. Tony Butler

15. Jake Arrieta

16. Zach Britton

17. Tim Bascom

18. Yung Chi-Chen

19. Tyler Henson

20. David Hernandez

21. James Hoey

22. Matt Angle

23. Bob McCrory

24. Chris Vinyard

25. Matt Albers

26. Joe Mahoney

27. Mike Costanzo

28. Brandon Tripp

29. Blake Davis

30. Freddy Deza

[clapdiddy]

After reading everyone's rankings, the only thing I can say is that our system will take a big, big step forward if this deal goes down.

[Stotle]

Jones, Albers are not eligible.. Sarfate may be ineligible...not sure

Sarfate is eligble.

1. Wieters

2. Liz

3. Clement

4. Patton

5. Reimold

6. Tillman

7. Rowell

8. Triunfel

9. Spoone

10. Erbe

11. Olson

12. Arrieta

13. Butler

14. Costanzo

15. Snyder

16. Beato

17. Bascom

18. Moore

19. Hernandez

20. McCrory

21. Bierd

22. Hoey

23. Sarfate

24. Angle

25. Henson

26. Britton

27. Tripp

28. Vineyard

29. Johnson

30. Pope

[mweb]

1. Wieters

2. Triunfel

3. Clement

4. Rowell

5. Patton

6. Liz

7. Tillman

8. Spoone

9. Reimold

10. Erbe

[orioole28]

1. Matt Wieters C

2. Jeff Clement C

3. Bill Rowell 1b

4. Carlos Triunfel SS

5. Troy Patton, LHP

6. Chorye Spoone RHP

7. Nolan Reimold OF

8. Brandon Erbe RHP

9. Radhames Liz RHP

10. Brandon Snyder 1B

11. Garrett Olson LHP

12. Chris Tillman RHP

13. David Hernandez RHP

14. Jake Arrieta RHP

15. Pedro Beato RHP

16. Mike Costanzo 3B

17. Tim Bascom RHP

18. Tony Butler LHP

19. Zach Britton

20. Yung Chi Chen 2b

This would be my Top 20.

[rhall]

Where would you rank Tillman, Clement, Triunfel, Butler and Chen, if they were in the Orioles system? Use the OH Top 30 as a reference.

1. Matt Wieters - C

Jeff Clement - C

2. Billy Rowell - 3B

Carlos Triunfel - SS

3. Chorye Spoone - RHP

4. Nolan Reimold - OF

5. Brandon Erbe - RHP

6. Radhames Liz - RHP

Chris Tillman - RHP

7. Brandon Snyder - 1B/3B

8. Garrett Olson - LHP

9. Pedro Beato - RHP

10. Zach Britton - LHP

Yung Chi Chen - 2B

11. Tyler Henson - SS

12. Jake Arrieta - RHP

Anthony Butler - LHP

13. David Hernandez - RHP

14. Tim Bascom - RHP

15. Scott Moore - 3B

16. Matt Angle - CF

17. James Hoey - RHP

18. Brad Bergesen - RHP

19. Bob McCrory - RHP

20. Chris Vinyard - 1B

21. Joe Mahoney - 1B

22. Brandon Tripp - OF

23. Jason Berken - RHP

24. Brett Bordes - LHP

25. Tyler Kolodny - 3B

26. Fredy Deza - RHP

27. Luis Hernandez - SS

28. Luis Lebron - RHP

29. Blake Davis - SS

30. Miguel Abreau - 2B

Does Hayden Penn no longer count as a prospect? He's pitched 58 innings in the big leagues spread out over 2 seasons (38-1/3 in 2005 & 19-2/3 in 2006). Is that enough to lose rookie status? I can never remember how many innings the cut off is? If he still has rookie status, there's no excuse for him not making the O's top 30.

As for the M's guys. I gave my 2 cents. Our farm would be much stronger with those additions, but I don't think Clement or Triunfel are coming here. The other 3 could very well be O's property, but I think the M's are going to be keeping Clement and Triunfel, the two best of this group.

[Jammer7]

1. Matt Wieters - C

Jeff Clement - C

2. Billy Rowell - 3B

Carlos Truinfel - SS

3. Chorye Spoone - RHP

4. Nolan Reimold - OF

Troy Patton - LHP

Chris Tillman - RHP

5. Brandon Erbe - RHP

6. Radhames Liz - RHP

7. Brandon Snyder - 1B/3B

8. Garrett Olson - LHP

Tony Butler - LHP

9. Pedro Beato - RHP

10. Zach Britton - LHP

11. Tyler Henson - SS

12. Jake Arrieta - RHP

13. David Hernandez - RHP

14. Tim Bascom - RHP

15. Scott Moore - 3B

16. Matt Angle - CF

17. James Hoey - RHP

Mike Costanzo - 3B

18. Brad Bergesen - RHP

19. Bob McCrory - RHP

Dennis Sarfate - RHP

20. Chris Vinyard - 1B

21. Joe Mahoney - 1B

22. Brandon Tripp - OF

23. Jason Berken - RHP

24. Brett Bordes - LHP

25. Tyler Kolodny - 3B

26. Fredy Deza - RHP

27. Luis Hernandez - SS

28. Luis Lebron - RHP

29. Blake Davis - SS

30. Miguel Abreu - 2B

That's how I see it. I know absolutely nothing about Yung Chi Chen and couldn't find anything about him. (Help...?) I may be inclined on my own list to put Liz above Spoone and drop Erbe to just above Beato, but that's just me. I adhered to your guidelines Greg.

[Jammer7]

Does Hayden Penn no longer count as a prospect? He's pitched 58 innings in the big leagues spread out over 2 seasons (38-1/3 in 2005 & 19-2/3 in 2006). Is that enough to lose rookie status? I can never remember how many innings the cut off is? If he still has rookie status, there's no excuse for him not making the O's top 30.

50 innings total is the cutoff.

[rhall]

That's how I see it. I know absolutely nothing about Yung Chi Chen and couldn't find anything about him. (Help...?) I may be inclined on my own list to put Liz above Spoone and drop Erbe to just above Beato, but that's just me. I adhered to your guidelines Greg.

Chen missed most of last season with a shoulder injury, but was able to play in the AFL He did well enough that the Mariners felt they needed to protect him and they placed him on the 40 man roster.

Looking at his numbers from his last full season, he looks like a guy who will hit for a good average with good plate discipline but only average power, a little speed, and a very solid glove at 2B. He'll turn 25 mid-season this year, so he's a little on the old side for someone who hasn't really seen much AAA, but that's only because of the shoulder injury.

[Jammer7]

Chen missed most of last season with a shoulder injury, but was able to play in the AFL He did well enough that the Mariners felt they needed to protect him and they placed him on the 40 man roster.

Looking at his numbers from his last full season, he looks like a guy who will hit for a good average with good plate discipline but only average power, a little speed, and a very solid glove at 2B. He'll turn 25 mid-season this year, so he's a little on the old side for someone who hasn't really seen much AAA, but that's only because of the shoulder injury.

Thank you sir!

[wildcard]

Here is BA's Top 10. I added where I would place the players that are in the M's trade.

1. Matt Wieters, c

- Adam Jones

2. Radhames Liz, rhp

3. Troy Patton, lhp

4. Nolan Reimold, of

5. Bill Rowell, 3b

6. Brandon Snyder, 1b/3b

7. Jake Arrieta, rhp

8. Chorye Spoone, rhp

9. Pedro Beato, rhp

10. Brandon Erbe, rhp

- Chris Tillman

15-20. - Tony Butler

[odogs101]

Here is BA's Top 10. I added where I would place the players that are in the M's trade.

1. Matt Wieters, c

- Adam Jones

2. Radhames Liz, rhp

3. Troy Patton, lhp

4. Nolan Reimold, of

5. Bill Rowell, 3b

6. Brandon Snyder, 1b/3b

7. Jake Arrieta, rhp

8. Chorye Spoone, rhp

9. Pedro Beato, rhp

10. Brandon Erbe, rhp

- Chris Tillman

15-20. - Tony Butler

I agree with you on Butler but I would put Tillman at 7. He performed better than Erbe, at a higher level than Beato, and Arrieta didn't pitch til AFL.

Now that I think about it I would have Spoone at 7 and Tillman 8.