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MrOrange82 Hangout Grand Counsel

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Agree it's hard to teach old dogs new tricks.... but is anyone trying? I'd like to know if anyone does a post game video breakdown to show guys how far out of the zone some of the pitches they are swinging at? Or are the talking situations... like Adam you do understand that if the count is 0-2, 1-2, or even 2-2 the pitchers have been out of the zone 95% of the time against you>

Or how about posting a swing % for pitches out of the zone on the clubhouse bulletin board.

Or how about Buck giving some guys a game or two off after a particularly bad day of hacking at pitches no where near the zone.

I just wonder what Pressley is saying to them?

I think the point some other people are trying to make is that...if you don't actually know what Presley is or isn't doing, it's hard to justify starting a thread asking if the O's should fire him.

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I'm trying to gauge your sarcasm in this post. A good hitter .270ish average should be able to get on base at a .330-.340 clip.

Gordo mistakenly thinks that someone thinks that walks are better then hits.

When of course the truth is that at bats that result in walks are better then the average result of at bats that don't end in walks.

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Yes but imagine if our lead off hitter was doing this: .349 .482 .535. He's on pace to pay for almost a third of his total contract this year.

This is our batting first splits this season:

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As quick comparison, here is Toronto:

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And the Red Sox:

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El Gordo Hangout Grand Counsel

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Gordo mistakenly thinks that someone thinks that walks are better then hits.

When of course the truth is that at bats that result in walks are better then the average result of at bats that don't end in walks.

No, I think walks are a better bet than hits. Most ML players have the hand eye coordination to spoil a pitch. Far fewer have the hand eye coordination to square it up. Much easier to try for walks than hits and less risky. Putting the ball in play leads to outs. Walks also use up more P/PA. If every one on the team took this approach you'd be through the opposing team's entire pitching staff in less than 9 innings.
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Frobby Hangout Grand Counsel

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Too soon to consider a move like this, IMO. It's not like the offense overall has been awful, despite our pathetic BB rate. After a poor weekend, we are now 8th of 15 AL teams in runs/game, which is not good but not a firing offense at this stage of the season.

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OFFNY Hangout Grand Counsel

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Forget Pressley.

If it were up to me, I would fire Showalter.

We had sole possession of first place on Friday, and we just gave it ...... GAVE IT back to the Yankees.

Poor leadership.

Failure to get the players motivated to beat the Twins.

Ron Johnson couldn't be any worse.

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I think one of the assumptions people may have is that the hitting coach isn't already doing those things.

contrary to what stat geeks may think, they don't exactly have a whole lot of time to recognize a pitch and make a decision to swing the bat. Combine average MLB ability with respect to that and an aggressive approach at the plate, and voila! low OBP.

I have to wonder if the lunatics are running the asylum in terms of approach at the plate. add "all star" and things like "HR leader" and it justifies such a team wide approach.

maybe that's their strategy. maybe the hitting coach is adapting to the players. The biggest issue I see is it becomes a selfish game, where if the players are reasonably happy, they are making good money, and their stats are pretty good...they will keep going in that direction.

I don't know. I have to believe that they are trying, but they don't have the ability to recognize and not swing at bad pitches.

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Instead of firing the hitting coach how about making deal with the weather man for warmer weather. That is all its going to take for the O's offense to take off.

The O's were 4th in the AL in runs scored last year and they added Cruz, who looks like an offensive force.

How about worrying about the pitching instead.

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Walk rates so far, vs. career:

Davis 13.8%, 8.0%

Clevenger 12.9%, 7.6%

Cruz 9.8%, 7.9%

Markakis 8.3%, 9.3%

Flaherty 8.1%, 6.1%

Wieters 6.4%, 8.6%

Lough 4.3%, 3.6%

Young 3.8%, 4.2%

Hardy 3.5%, 7.0%

Jones 3.2%, 4.6%

Schoop 2.1%, 2.1%

Looking at some of the guys who are new to the team, Lough and Young haven't walked much in their careers, and Schoop is a very inexperienced rookie who has been rushed a bit. Thsoe guys are a big reason the team BB rate is so low. Jones and Hardy are slumping badly and you have to hope they'll draw a few more walks when they aren't pressing. Wieters' walk rate is a bit low right now, but they way he's hitting, we'll live with it.

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Slade-OH Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

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Forget Pressley.

If it were up to me, I would fire Showalter.

We had sole possession of first place on Friday, and we just gave it ...... GAVE IT back to the Yankees.

Poor leadership.

Failure to get the players motivated to beat the Twins.

Ron Johnson couldn't be any worse.

Ron Johnson, not to be confused with Ron Swanson

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