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I did, there aren't any compelling arguments. He's pitching in the NL. Prior to this year he had an ERA > 4. His ERA+ was 97. Yes, his peripherals are good (SO, BB) but overall he's nothing special. We'd be acquiring another middle tier pitcher...unless you buy into the idea that he's a TOR based on 11 starts.

Since 2012 17th best xFIP

26th best FIP

23rd most IP

10th best K/9

22nd best fWAR

Yeah he's nothing special, just another guy.

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I did, there aren't any compelling arguments. He's pitching in the NL. Prior to this year he had an ERA > 4. His ERA+ was 97. Yes, his peripherals are good (SO, BB) but overall he's nothing special. We'd be acquiring another middle tier pitcher...unless you buy into the idea that he's a TOR based on 11 starts.

There's a huge number of degrees separating "nothing special" from "TOR" that you seem to not be considering at all. He can still be "very, very good" without being a TOR. Or "very good." Or just plain, old "good." If he's in the top third/top quarter/top ten in several important categories......odds are that he's closer to "TOR" on the spectrum than he is to "nothing special."

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I don't see why the rebuilding Cubs would be interested in Norris.

As a rule, I think if someone needs to ask, tentatively, "could XYZ package work?" when the names that've been tossed around prior are top prospects...then the answer is always "no."

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I really think if this trade happens, someone from the Big team is going back in the deal.

Why/who? The Cubs are done. They know it and why would we give up someone that is helping us. Maybe they might want Clevenger back I suppose.

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Could a package of Norris and ERod work?

Why would you give up your best pitcher (and a top prospect) for another pitcher? Samardjiza would be an upgrade over Norris but giving up norris to replace him would be a very marginal upgrade overall to the rotation. You would basically be giving up erod for someone like tj mcfarland.

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Why would you give up your best pitcher (and a top prospect) for another pitcher? Samardjiza would be an upgrade over Norris but giving up norris to replace him would be a very marginal upgrade overall to the rotation. You would basically be giving up erod for someone like tj mcfarland.

Tell me how again this is a "very marginal upgrade".

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=3254%2c9492

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Why/who? The Cubs are done. They know it and why would we give up someone that is helping us. Maybe they might want Clevenger back I suppose.

By the time this deal is made I imagine that Johan Santana is going to be up, and if he is I gotta think that bumps Gonzalez or Chen to the pen. If Samardzija if acquired, then Chen or Gonzalez would be the other one bumped. I can't see both Chen and Gonzalez in the pen.

Maybe they aren't traded in the Cubs deal, but I think that one of them will be traded if he is acquired.

Just a hunch

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