Excellent article on pitch framing and how the Orioles amongst others have benefitted

[Can_of_corn]

I read something last week that one of the sites is reworking how they are scoring framing to include a lot more information. Part of the reason is the extreme results they are seeing at the ends of the curve.

They are on the right track I think. Simply looking at pitch location and call is too simplistic.

[SteveO]

I read something last week that one of the sites is reworking how they are scoring framing to include a lot more information. Part of the reason is the extreme results they are seeing at the ends of the curve.

They are on the right track I think. Simply looking at pitch location and call is too simplistic.

I agree here.

Its hard to quantify the value of pitch framing but the metrics seem to doing their damnedest to try and do so.

[Can_of_corn]

I agree here.

Its hard to quantify the value of pitch framing but the metrics seem to doing their damnedest to try and do so.

I would love to have good info. Folks think I don't believe in Framing, I do, I just don't like the systems they have used to date.

[Il BuonO]

I would love to have good info. Folks think I don't believe in Framing, I do, I just don't like the systems they have used to date.

So, therefore you aren't about to jump out of your skin and call Joseph the second coming of Bench? Shocking.

[SteveO]

I would love to have good info. Folks think I don't believe in Framing, I do, I just don't like the systems they have used to date.

Its hard to give a value to something that is so difficult to quantify.

I also think it would be interesting to see if anyone has tried to accumulate data on which Umpires framing is most effective with. I have to imagine to some degree there are differences. My guess is that if one were to look at the stats close enough you could find patterns of certain umpires for whom framing is pretty effective and others were it had a more limited effect.

[Can_of_corn]

So, therefore you aren't about to jump out of your skin and call Joseph the second coming of Bench? Shocking.

And then there is the whole inverse relationship between pitch framing and pitch blocking.

[Il BuonO]

And then there is the whole inverse relationship between pitch framing and pitch blocking.

Joseph -0.6 RPP (Catcher Blocked Pitches in runs above average) compared to Perez 2.3 RPP. They both had a DRS 8 and a rSB +5 and +4 respectively but Perez played in 150 games to Joseph's 82.

Games played or lack thereof has no small effect on the curve with respect to his framing number.

[byrdz]

Just call a freaking strike a strike! It's so frustrating watching the Yankees borderline cheat by framing the pitch in the dugout and still getting a strike. The reason why this will never be easy to capture via stats is the ump factor.

[Can_of_corn]

Just call a freaking strike a strike! It's so frustrating watching the Yankees borderline cheat by framing the pitch in the dugout and still getting a strike. The reason why this will never be easy to capture via stats is the ump factor.

The new plan is to incorporate ump data to the mix.

Me, I want an electronic strikezone.

[JayThomas]

The new plan is to incorporate ump data to the mix.

Me, I want an electronic strikezone.

A physical one, not a visual one. In other words, have a physical sensor there, which adjusts to the conventional interpretation of the strike zone w.r.t. to the batter's stance, and physically detects where the ball crosses the plane of the front of the plate. One problem I have with all current pitch statistics is that we're relying on visual metrics, which in turn rely on the angle of measurement, the correction for that, etc. Since I don't know any of those data, it's hard for me to accept the 'measured' data as gospel.