Roberts Must Go

[Hank Scorpio]

Again, I respect your opinion but I don't like the chances of him having better value at the deadline. It's awfully risky, especially considering that the package being offered by the Cubs is probably better than what the Tigers gave up for Renteria, who is arguably better than Roberts, and plays at a much more valuable position.

..and I yours, my friend.

And I totally understand your point, it's definitely a risk.

I'm just saying that I think Roberts could easily have more value at the deadline than he has now. Contenders tend to get desperate come the ASB.

If I couldn't get Cedeno/Murton, Patterson & Pie back from Jimbo, which I doubt we can, I'd roll the dice.

[Moose Milligan]

If I couldn't get Cedeno/Murton, Patterson & Pie back from Jimbo, which I doubt we can, I'd roll the dice.

You riverboat gambler, you!

[Hank Scorpio]

Hank I agree that I like the pitching ... But with gaping holes at SS, 1B, 3B, & soon to be 2B .... You need to fix that more than getting a rp Mickolio, Sherill a 30 yr old RP ???? Butler 19/20 SP w/ shoulder issues already).

Patience, grasshopper.

You gotta go through hell before you get to heaven. Or in our case, MORE hell.

[Hank Scorpio]

You riverboat gambler, you!

Watch it, smartasses get tossed overboard.

[Roll Tide]

What does that have to do with anything?and another month old he is. Every month that goes by is a month less time his contract has[

You kidding right ????

You said the above statement, or am I taking your words out of context???

His numbers probably won't get any better than they were in 2007.

For Gods sake ... Roberts is just turning 30 & in the prime of his career. You guys act like he's 34-35. He easily could have another real solid 3-5 years. Put him on a team thats got something to play for & his numbers might even be better. Everybody discounts Roberts, Mora, Hernandez, Tejada, etc etc etc production only going down. Nobody considers the change of scenery to a place that actually has something to play for after June 1st.

[Hank Scorpio]

You kidding right ????

You said the above statement, or am I taking your words out of context???

For Gods sake ... Roberts is just turning 30 & in the prime of his career. You guys act like he's 34-35. He easily could have another real solid 3-5 years. Put him on a team thats got something to play for & his numbers might even be better. Everybody discounts Roberts, Mora, Hernandez, Tejada, etc etc etc production only going down. Nobody considers the change of scenery to a place that actually has something to play for after June 1st.

And he's still getting stronger off of nearly having his arm ripped off.....

[Number5]

I'm saying it's more likely to go than up. I really don't see how it could possibly get much higher. Every month that goes by is a month less time his contract has, and another month old he is. His numbers probably won't get any better than they were in 2007. If he has a year similar to 2006, his value goes way down, and the steroid speculation could hurt that even more (I'm not saying I'd believe it, but it could play a big role in teams thinking about going after him). I think the market you're seeing right now is the the same as it will be in July. You're hoping that a contending team needs a 2b leadoff hitter badly and will be willing to offer a better package then. When you look at the teams that figure to contend, very few of them need a 2B. That's why I said if anything, his value will go down.

Whether his value is higher now or at the deadline doesn't really matter if the Cubs are not offering that value. Bottom line is what the Cubs have reportedly offered does not meet Roberts' value. Without a reasonable offer, it is best to keep Roberts. His example to the younger players is invaluable, not to mention his skill set. If offered a package that will help the Orioles in a rebuilding effort by the Cubs or another team, then yes, by all means pull the trigger. But lets not trade him for three non-impact players just to be doing a trade.

[Roll Tide]

Why not just stick Gibbons on the 60 day DL?

I'm sure he would then file a complaint with the union ..especially if he wasn't hurt. Plus this time of year you clog up a spot on the 40man. That might eventually matter more than it does now. I'm sure many here (Not Me) would rather have seen Gibbons sent packing than Fiorentino.

[skiba7]

You kidding right ????

You said the above statement, or am I taking your words out of context???

I don't see the problem with what I said. Please explain.

For Gods sake ... Roberts is just turning 30 & in the prime of his career. You guys act like he's 34-35. He easily could have another real solid 3-5 years. Put him on a team thats got something to play for & his numbers might even be better. Everybody discounts Roberts, Mora, Hernandez, Tejada, etc etc etc production only going down. Nobody considers the change of scenery to a place that actually has something to play for after June 1st

Try reading what I type before trahsing me plase. I never said I expect Roberts to decline. I'm saying that at 30 years old, I don't think he's going to explode and suddenly have a career year making his value go through the roof.

[skiba7]

Whether his value is higher now or at the deadline doesn't really matter if the Cubs are not offering that value. Bottom line is what the Cubs have reportedly offered does not meet Roberts' value.

I don't really agree with that at all. The package the Cubs are offering his probably better than what the Tigers gave up for Renteria, who plays a much more valuable position. I'd say that if anything, they'd be giving up too much for Roberts. In fact, I think that's the case.

[Roll Tide]

Whether his value is higher now or at the deadline doesn't really matter if the Cubs are not offering that value. Bottom line is what the Cubs have reportedly offered does not meet Roberts' value. Without a reasonable offer, it is best to keep Roberts. His example to the younger players is invaluable, not to mention his skill set. If offered a package that will help the Orioles in a rebuilding effort by the Cubs or another team, then yes, by all means pull the trigger. But lets not trade him for three non-impact players just to be doing a trade.

Gallagher , Murton & A good AA/A prospects would do IMO & be fair game. Murton could be platooned in LF, DH , & may even be converted to a 1Bman.

Gallagher is potentially a #2... and as Hank says "You can never never never Have too much pitching!

I wont mention the third guys to restart the debate on he we will/wont get debate with the Cubs guys VISITING here!

[skiba7]

Gallagher , Murton & A good AA/A prospects would do IMO & be fair game. Murton could be platooned in LF, DH , & may even be converted to a 1Bman.

Gallagher is potentially a #2... and as Hank says "You can never never never Have too much pitching!

I wont mention the third guys to restart the debate on he we will/wont get debate with the Cubs guys VISITING here!

I've been here as long as you.

[allstar1579]

No one can be put on the DL until the 13th. In theory they could put some one on the DL then, but more than likely they will start to DFA some of the 4 or 5 players that won't be on our 40 man at the end of the season.

Roberts is a middle infielder with good bat skills for his position, great speed for any position, and wonderful base stealing ability. His value is much more than any package that the Cubs have rumored to have offered to date.

While there is the risk of a bad season, or injury in waiting, he is also not going to be a FA at season's end. If we had to keep him into next season to get full value, that is better than trading him and then looking back in 9 months and saying, wow, we got nothing for him. At some point this season or next offseason there will be plenty of teams looking for a lead off man, a 2B, or just some speed to add to the lineup. There is every year and this one will be no different.

[Roll Tide]

I don't see the problem with what I said. Please explain.

You said

(Every month that goes by is a month less time his contract has, )

I said why does everyone assume Roberts & Bedard will not sign extensions with their new teams. Especially in Roberts case I believe he would if he felt wanted.

You said

and another month old he is.

I said he's only 30 & in his Prime...Not 34-35 on the back end!!!

Try reading what I type before trashing me plase. I never said I expect Roberts to decline. I'm saying that at 30 years old, I don't think he's going to explode and suddenly have a career year making his value go through the roof.

I read your hole post Skiba ... Now you are back peddling !!!

Roberts had his arm tore off in late 2005. At the time it was considered career threatening. 2006 was a great year considering (but a comeback year never the less). 2007 he was back ... But strength wise was he 100% IMO no. His power numbers might even improve some more!

[Roll Tide]

I've been here as long as you.

I've been a O's fans for my whole life ..Your infatuation in visiting the OH. To talk BS about a player you know nothing about before your team mentioned him in trade rumors. You've likely never seen him play etc ... Would be like me going to the Cubs board & trying to justify the value of Derosa or someone else that else who is considered a All Star on your team.