Will Markakis sign with the O's before the FA signing begin? (Option Declined)

[atomic]

5 hours ago, Ohfan67 said:

 Whatever. I may have used the word average, and one metric used was Wins Above Average, but I am not comparing Markakis' production to the average RF. I am comparing Markakis production and the production of the Orioles right fielders to right field production for EVERY team, individually. I linked the data twice. The majority of teams in every year but one had more productive right fields. That's true if you use "modern" value metrics or if you use more traditional stats like OPS. If you want names, then look at who played right field for the majority of teams during those years. The majority of the teams in baseball fielded more productive right fielders than Atlanta and the Orioles. In some years of the deal almost every team got more production from right field than the Braves. If you want to do the silly internet arguing thing with the second statement I bolded, then fine. I'll consider our "discussion" over. Now, where's the ignore button...

Every year 2015-2018 according to that page the Orioles had more productivity out of their right fielders than the Orioles.  But yeah it was wise to go with Travis Snyder and others since Markakis left.  The sad thing is we probably spent close to the same amount of money on the position with what we paid Trumbo.  If you include next years salary for Trumbo who we would rather be gone than pay him any of his salary. 

[atomic]

3 minutes ago, atomic said:

Every year 2015-2018 according to that page the Orioles had more productivity out of their right fielders than the Orioles.  But yeah it was wise to go with Travis Snyder and others since Markakis left.  The sad thing is we probably spent close to the same amount of money on the position with what we paid Trumbo.  If you include next years salary for Trumbo who we would rather be gone than pay him any of his salary. 

I mean Braves had more productivity each year than the Orioles. 

[Redskins Rick]

14 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

What constitutes a sandwich.

That has the marking of a classic thread, good for 1000+ posts.

[osfan83]

16 hours ago, weams said:

Meat Bread or roll. Sammich. 

So a hot dog is a sandwich? 

[weams]

3 minutes ago, osfan83 said:

So a hot dog is a sandwich? 

Those are the rules and the definition. 

[Tony-OH]

On 10/25/2018 at 2:04 PM, Frobby said:

 

 

 

 

This is an exchange I’ve been thinking about for years, and decided I would dredge up once Nick Markakis completed his contract with the Braves.   Nick ended up being valued at 6.7 rWAR, 5.6 fWAR in his four years with the Braves.   By Fangraphs’ methodology, he was worth $46.1 mm, compared to the $44 mm he was paid.

I was not in favor of giving Nick a four-year deal, but in hindsight, I wish we’d matched the Braves’ offer.    Yes, he did play 155 games a year — in fact, he played 156, 158, 160 and 162.    Would I have preferred that to the merry-go-round we witnessed in RF the last four years?    You’re damned right I would!

Sure, in hindsight had we known outside of the one year or Cruz that RF would be disaster, sure, I'd take Marakakis. Replacing Markakis in right field was one of Duquette's failures and I did not want Nick back at the Braves price either. 

[weams]

5 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

Sure, in hindsight had we known outside of the one year or Cruz that RF would be disaster, sure, I'd take Marakakis. Replacing Markakis in right field was one of Duquette's failures and I did not want Nick back at the Braves price either. 

Cruz lost one World Series for sure. And maybe two. 

[DrungoHazewood]

On 10/25/2018 at 2:04 PM, Frobby said:

 

 

 

 

This is an exchange I’ve been thinking about for years, and decided I would dredge up once Nick Markakis completed his contract with the Braves.   Nick ended up being valued at 6.7 rWAR, 5.6 fWAR in his four years with the Braves.   By Fangraphs’ methodology, he was worth $46.1 mm, compared to the $44 mm he was paid.

I was not in favor of giving Nick a four-year deal, but in hindsight, I wish we’d matched the Braves’ offer.    Yes, he did play 155 games a year — in fact, he played 156, 158, 160 and 162.    Would I have preferred that to the merry-go-round we witnessed in RF the last four years?    You’re damned right I would!

I would have preferred an option that didn't involve spending nearly $50M for 1.6 wins/year in 700 PAs.  I like Nick the person, and I like Nick the player, but it's a very poor investment to spend $11M a year on below-average production.  I'd certainly go year-to-year with whatever I could find instead of locking in 1.6 wins/year.

[tntoriole]

On 11/9/2018 at 12:58 PM, Tony-OH said:

Sure, in hindsight had we known outside of the one year or Cruz that RF would be disaster, sure, I'd take Marakakis. Replacing Markakis in right field was one of Duquette's failures and I did not want Nick back at the Braves price either. 

In one of my very few instances of being right...I wanted Nick back at the time, at the Braves price and wanted Nelson Cruz four years too.   I will not say I told you so, because of the several hundred other instances of being wrong....lol. 

[Tony-OH]

1 hour ago, tntoriole said:

In one of my very few instances of being right...I wanted Nick back at the time, at the Braves price and wanted Nelson Cruz four years too.   I will not say I told you so, because of the several hundred other instances of being wrong....lol. 

Hey, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in awhile?!